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I thought it might be helpful to share our experience doing testing recently. I would have liked to read something like this beforehand, so here goes.

First, why test? DS wasn't having problems at school, but did find ourselves at a loss when it came to quantitative, objective information about how he learns best. We also wanted to know a little more about his aptitude in different subject areas. It's an ongoing question of whether his school, which we as parents dearly love, is the best fit. Also, should we be doing more to nurture any areas? Finally, we wondered if he would qualify for any gifted programs, local and national.

It wasn't entirely easy to find a tester. On a local mom's group someone in a similar situation recommended a tester, but when I called, they were hard to reach and when I did talk to them, it was very expensive, over $1900, none of which would be covered by insurance. I made a tentative appointment, though, that we later cancelled. This tester was a private psychologist with experience testing gifted kids. I also found a university psychology department that would do it for very little $, but it was a 90 minute drive. It's hard to find recommendations since no one talks about giftedness and you don't know who to ask!

I thought of our pediatrician, and found out that their office has a child psychologist on staff. I talked to her last fall, when DS was 5.5 and she recommended we wait until he was 6, because the test she wanted to use started at age 6. She thought it would be a good thing to be at the beginning of a test's age range, than at the end. I really connected with her, and thought DS might as well, so we made the appointments. We scheduled for the week after school let out, first week of June. The cost would be $900 for the tests (WISC-IV and Woodcock-Johnson), plus three office visits (two for me, one for him) at $125 each. The office visits only would be covered by insurance, with copay. (Sorry if it's tacky to talk about money, but I think it's useful info for planning.)

(My understanding is that the WISC-IV is the IQ test an the Woodcock-Johnson is an achievement test, but I might be corrected there.)

(There was another option, to just have a short assessment (her term) and not the full testing. This would have cost $250, but we thought we would end up going back for the full testing anyway, so we skipped that. The results would have been her professional opinion, but not full tests.)

The first visit, on a Thursday, was for me to talk about DS's history (medical, educational), to share our thoughts and reasons for testing, to talk about any problem areas. It took about an hour. She took extensive notes.

The second visit, the next Monday, was for DS alone. She scheduled him for 9-12 and then 1-2 if needed. For preparation, DS was supposed to sleep well and eat a good breakfast. Despite our best efforts, he did not go to sleep until 11pm the night before. He did eat a hearty breakfast, though: boiled egg, juice, and waffles.

DS was a little nervous and clingy, but as I was walking him to the office, I reminded him that it would be similar to some linguistic research studies we used to do. After that, he was fine, and skipped on in the door. DD and I left to run some errands. The psychologist told us to come back at 11:30.

Around 10:30, she called and said that DS was doing well, but getting tired and that he should have a break. I picked him up around 10:45, and we all went to lunch and ran around on the playground. I returned him at 12:30 for more testing. She expected it would be another 45 minutes, but DD and I waited in the waiting room for over an hour. DS came home tired but jazzed at all the fun he had. He told me some of the notes she had written on her pad, and some of the words he hadn't understood, but other than that nothing (I didn't quiz him).

Three days later, on Thursday, I returned for the follow-up. I'll give a general feel of how the consult went: The psychologist did not have a written report ready, but promised it by the end of the month. She discussed his strengths & weaknesses, and things she found interesting. She told me some numbers, but not very specifically, more that certain subject areas (achievement test, I think) and the nonverbal (IQ I think) area were in the top X% of results. She also said for some subjects (achievement test, I think) he was performing on an Nth grade level. She mentioned some schools in the wider area that might be good fits, and we discussed how he might do in a neighborhood public school and some of the achievement-oriented private schools (I wish I had picked her brain before I did all that school research! Note, that's a good resource.). She also had done some unofficial tests of how fast he learned things, and provided examples. She talked some about his personality and energy level, and how those might affect his learning experiences. She talked about how he works on problems, and how knowing this might be used to his advantage. There were apparently some questions she asked him about general knowledge, and she was surprised he couldn't answer them, but then when she gave examples, I realized that he had not been exposed to the info because of our parenting style; interesting. She had very level advice about nurturing vs. pushing, and gave some strategies for encouraging his interests. We were very happy with her approach to the testing, and the level of follow-up she provided. It turned out to be a good experience for all of us.

YMMV! Hope this is helpful info.
 

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Sounds great. That was a good detailed post and I think it would be helpful to anyone considering testing. A lot of what you are describing sounds pretty similar to our experience with testing with our son. He enjoyed it too.

Do you think you've learned anything that will affect your decisions about schooling?
 

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I found out his current school meets his learning style and problem-solving style, and the curriculum is based on his strong area. We found out it may not be meeting his needs in one area, and so we are deciding what to do about that. We suspected this was the case, but did not know to what extent. The tester gave us the information to clarify these, and also some ideas about what to do about the lacking area.
 

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I do not think it was neuropsych because the tester was a psychologist instead of a neurologist, but I could definitely be wrong about the terminology.

I'd love to read your story!
 

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Hi, I'm a psychologist so I can answer some of the technical questions. Yes, the WISC is an IQ test, and the WJ is an achevement test (i.e., in theory what one is "capable" of being able to do vs. what one is actually currently able to do).

Generally in the school setting these tests are done by school psychologists, although some schools actually have non-psychologists do portions of either test as well (not the approach that I would recommend personally). In the private sector, psychologists (e.g., a clinical psychologist, developmental psychologist, educational psychologist, etc.) generally do these tests to get a sense of aptitude and achievement. Neuropsychologists might also include these tests within a battery of tests, but they would generally also include other tests to assess neurological functioning (tests of visual/auditory memory, cognitive speed and flexibility, etc.)
 

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Thanks, CP... then no it was not a neuropsych eval, but she did some informal neuro stuff as you have described.

I would love to hear what a neuropsych eval is like, ILMB!
 

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My son had a complete neuropsych. eval when he was just over 5 years old. He was evaluated by a psychologist, not a neurologist, but we learned that only some psychologists are able to ive the complete neuropsych eval. Our experience was not positive (though not horrendously negative, either) and I haven't got the time to post in detail now...maybe later.
 

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Hi, I'm a psychologist so I can answer some of the technical questions. Yes, the WISC is an IQ test, and the WJ is an achevement test (i.e., in theory what one is "capable" of being able to do vs. what one is actually currently able to do).

Hi crunchy mom! Its good to see you over here also! I wanted to ask you what happens if they find a big difference in the IQ test and the acheivement test?

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Hi, I'm a psychologist so I can answer some of the technical questions. Yes, the WISC is an IQ test, and the WJ is an achevement test (i.e., in theory what one is "capable" of being able to do vs. what one is actually currently able to do).

Hi crunchy mom! Its good to see you over here also! I wanted to ask you what happens if they find a big difference in the IQ test and the acheivement test?

Marie
Well, I can't comment on specifics, because I don't know the scores, the child, classroom performance, test validity, and whatnot, but in general assuming that the achievement scores are significantly lower than IQ scores on similar domains, this would be indicative of some form of learning disability (regardless of the level of IQ score, which is to say that a child can have a high IQ and still have a diagnosed learning disability, a concept which is confusing to some).
 

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in general assuming that the achievement scores are significantly lower than IQ scores on similar domains, this would be indicative of some form of learning disability
I disagree. There are so many reasons for low achievement that have nothing to do with a learning disability and I think it's wrong to presume LD just because of an IQ-achievement disparity.
 

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I disagree. There are so many reasons for low achievement that have nothing to do with a learning disability and I think it's wrong to presume LD just because of an IQ-achievement disparity.
Well, that's why there was that whole part in there about not being able to comment on specifics due to other factors that might contribute to an achievement/IQ discrepancy. However (like it or not) MANY school districts use statistically significant discrepancy between IQ and achievement test scores as their criteria for qualification for services under the umbrella of "learning disability."
 

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Thanks for this post! DD's preschool teachers have suggested that we have her tested, but I'd like to wait till 5 or 6. Your experience sounds like it went smoothly and produced useful information. That's what I'd hope for.
 

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Crunchcy mom

Your information is exactly what I am going through and that is why the question was vague. My son is considered gifted and as you know, its been like that since birth. He also is visually impaired so, his performance, although grades are great, and his behavior does not always go in the gifted realm. His teacher was concerned because the achievement test was really low to her and who knows why.. could have been a bad day for him or a learning disabilty due to the visual impairment. The Child Study team is testing him (through much effort on mine and the teacher's part) due the big differences and behavioral issues his visual impairment brings into the class.

I asked you that question because with a gifted child where academics and knowledge come so easy (social things don't), we just expected the achievment tests to be high. The scores aren't allowing him to excel into the correct placements for the year ahead. Does that make sense?

I never thought he would score low on that test and it would raise a concern.

Thanks for the info.

Marie
 

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However (like it or not) MANY school districts use statistically significant discrepancy between IQ and achievement test scores as their criteria for qualification for services under the umbrella of "learning disability."
Well, then they are breaking the law. The regulations specifically state that there must be some sort of processing deficit. Low achievement is just that. Low achievement. Not a learning disability. It may be an effect of a learning disability, but it is not, in and of itself, a learning disability.
 

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I found this journal article interesting. While it doesn't compare achievement and IQ scores, it does discuss the limitations of IQ subtest score analysis.
Quote: "Hypothesized relationships between subtest profiles and other psychosocial behaviors persistently fail to achieve statistical or clinical significance."

http://www.srmhp.org/0202/iq.html
 

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Well, then they are breaking the law. The regulations specifically state that there must be some sort of processing deficit. Low achievement is just that. Low achievement. Not a learning disability. It may be an effect of a learning disability, but it is not, in and of itself, a learning disability.
You're right...low achievement is simply low achievement. However, in the realm of the public school world, it is almost always considered to be the result of one of two causes: low IQ (and therefore, the child can't achieve any more than he/she is achieving) or learning disability (because the IQ score indicates that the child should be performing better, but he/she isn't). Right or wrong, these are generally the two ways that low achievement scores are interpreted.
 

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I'm also a school psychologist. And we don't do that in my district. How is that fair to a child, to presume a child has a lifelong disabling condition on such a basis without actually looking further? This (imo) is one of the reasons parents are so suspect of schools and teachers and psychologists. And I think school psychologists, teachers and administrators do serious damage when we behave in such ways and continue to disseminate misinformation.
 
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