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I'm curious. If someone has never been vaxed for tetanus and they were to cut themselves and actually acquire the disease, would a shot help? I guess I'm wondering why doctors are so quick to give a tetanus shot aftr every little cut they see.<br><br>
Also, isn't tetanus only a problem for really deep wounds? I was talking to a woman the other day who said she was gardening and hit a bees nest in the ground, got stung a bunch of times and the doctor gave her a tetanus shot because the bees live in the ground and could have given her tetanus. It sounded a little silly to me, but then again, I'm still learning...<br><br>
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Cause they get paid for it. LOL If they learned anything in medical school they would know that tetanus can only survive in an anaerobic environment and if you bleed, well then that is not anaerobic and there is no need for a tetanus shot.<br><br>
Tetanus is mostly a disease of older people with very poor circulation.
 

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So if they see someone stung by a bee, with lockjaw and going unconscious that might not be anything to do with the actual sting, might it?<br><br>
What about biting ants, flies, and all the other grubby bits?<br><br>
What about kids that eat soil?<br><br>
What about your own mantle-piece, which carries 10 to the power six clostridium tetani if you wipe your finger along an undusted for a few weeks section?<br><br>
Just a variation on a paranoid theme.<br><br>
Never mind that 5% of us, have it multiplying in our gut all the time, and we're still runing around like headless chooks.<br><br>
Um... perhaps that's why we're headless chooks.
 

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I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how if those spores are everywhere, and can survive oxygen, and live in healthy tissue for months and then germinate when anaerobic conditions arise....they why doesn't the unvaxed population have a 100% tetanus infection rate?
 

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Well, Mamakay <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> funny how the world was overpopulated before the tetanus vaccine got off the drawing board eh?!!!
 

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See, I know there's some reason...some mechanism at work here to explain it.<br>
I've just looked high and low and haven't been able to find it yet.<br>
I haven't had a tetanus shot for over 20 years. I should be dead, right?
 

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it is my understanding that the "rusty nail" or whatever object punctures your skin has to have been exposed to cow manure to be in danger of getting tetanus.
 

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Given that all manure has tetanus in it, as does every bit of soil, and tetanus spores are in human spit, and TC is ubiquitous, everywhere we turn has tetanus in it. Even that raw carrot I just ate, and probably didn't scrub properly.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Given that all manure has tetanus in it, as does every bit of soil, and tetanus spores are in human spit, and TC is ubiquitous, everywhere we turn has tetanus in it. Even that raw carrot I just ate, and probably didn't scrub properly.</div>
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now i am really grossed out. so i guess next time i cut my finger, i shouldn't suck on it because i could give myself tetanus? i think i am going to find a bubble to live in. the whole vax thing has just gotten out of hand!
 

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Yep.<br>
The actual "adult" (I guess?) bacteria are everywhere. Everywhere. And even a hint of oxygen will kill them.<br>
But their spores are everywhere, too. And those spores are super tough. Very hard to kill. Neither oxygen nor heat will do them in.<br>
So the 20 million dollar question is:<br>
Why, in a population of 650 million people, are there only 30 some odd tetanus cases each year?<br>
All the Amish babies should die once they start crawling. All us adults very, very "uncurrent" on our tetanus shots should be long dead.<br>
What's the deal?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">now i am really grossed out. so i guess next time i cut my finger, i shouldn't suck on it because i could give myself tetanus? i think i am going to find a bubble to live in. the whole vax thing has just gotten out of hand!</div>
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Well....... now.<br><br>
There is an interesting article I think you should read.<br><br><a href="http://www.discover.com/issues/nov-05/features/are-antibiotics-killing/" target="_blank">http://www.discover.com/issues/nov-0...otics-killing/</a><br><br>
It's amazing what doctors dont' tell you eh?!
 

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Well, studies have revealed that the majority of unvaxed people in certain tribes in the South have antibodies against tetanus.<br><br>
I mean it makes sense doesn't it....we can develop natural immunity to things like tetanus. And having enough vit. c and minerals is far more important, based on the evidence, than being up to date with the shot. Tetanus only seems to occur in malnourished elderly and injecting drug users. And even amongst them it is rare.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Well, studies have revealed that the majority of unvaxed people in certain tribes in the South have antibodies against tetanus.<br><br>
I mean it makes sense doesn't it....we can develop natural immunity to things like tetanus. And having enough vit. c and minerals is far more important, based on the evidence, than being up to date with the shot. Tetanus only seems to occur in malnourished elderly and injecting drug users. And even amongst them it is rare.</div>
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Can you provide a link for that stuff about unvaccinated people having antibodies against tetanus?<br>
I've never read that before...
 

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Yeah me too. I havent had one since I was "required" for kindergarten and I am 25 now. LOL I've cut my finger/leg/foot many a times and I am still alive. Even stepped on a nasty dirt covered peice of glass from a broken beer bottle out in the dirt and it got stuck in my foot. Shocker I aint dead yet. HAHA
 

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Tetnaus was the easiest shot to convince DH we didn't need to give DS. The simple argument that if he ever gets stuck with a rusty nail they will try to give him another shot anyway helped clue DH in on how little faith even the Dr's have in their own beloved vaccinations!
 

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OK-<br>
So I ahve always thought, if the kids get poked/ cut seriously by some rusting metal (which is constantly being unearthed in my backyard, since the house was built 100 years ago on a horse stable) that we would at least consider a tetanus shot.<br>
Now these posts are making me think that isnt even necc.<br><br><b>So, would you ever, or in what situations, would you get a tetanus shot- for you or the kids?</b> And just bec. its fun to role play, what would you say to the ER doctor trying to administer it?<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">OK-<br>
So I ahve always thought, if the kids get poked/ cut seriously by some rusting metal (which is constantly being unearthed in my backyard, since the house was built 100 years ago on a horse stable) that we would at least consider a tetanus shot.<br>
Now these posts are making me think that isnt even necc.<br><br><b>So, would you ever, or in what situations, would you get a tetanus shot- for you or the kids?</b> And just bec. its fun to role play, what would you say to the ER doctor trying to administer it?<br><br>
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One tetanus shot is <b>not enough to prevent tetanus</b>. Please, please, please remember that. Everyone thinks you can just skip the tetanus shot until you have an injury, then run to the ER and get one. That isn't true. If you have already had at least 2 tetanus shots and the first one was one month prior to the injury, then a third tetanus shot w/in 72 hours of the injury should prevent tetanus. The only reason ER docs give tetanus shots after an injury to people who've never had one is that it is <i>standard procedure.</i> It is not done to prevent tetanus or protect your health in any way. It's just standard procedure. You need to understand how the shot works if you want to protect yourself. So this is the deal:<br><br>
You need the first shot, obviously. Then you need a second shot, but it has to be <i>at least</i> one month after the first shot. If a year or 5 years or 10 years pass between shots, that's okay, but they have to be a minimum of one month apart. Then you need a third shot. You can either get it a minimum of one month later or you can wait until you have an injury, then get it w/in 72 hours. However, since the shots <i>must be at least one month apart</i>, if you are injured before one month has passed after the 2nd shot, then a 3rd shot won't help. Each shot has to be at least one month after the previous one.<br><br>
The only "official" way to prevent tetanus w/o getting a series of 3 shots is to get the Tetanus Immune Globulin (TIG) w/in 72 hours of injury. It is not a vaccine. It is a human blood product that contains antibodies to the tetanus toxin and it should protect you from tetanus for 28 days. It does carry risks of its own, including anaphylaxis, serum sickness and the slight possibility of contracting a blood born disease.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Well....... now.<br><br>
There is an interesting article I think you should read.<br><br><a href="http://www.discover.com/issues/nov-05/features/are-antibiotics-killing/" target="_blank">http://www.discover.com/issues/nov-0...otics-killing/</a><br><br>
It's amazing what doctors dont' tell you eh?!</div>
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Just read the article - holy cow! Oh, we human think we are sooooo smart when really we are sooooo stupid. Now I am even more po'd about the iv abx they routinely give women (like me) who go into pre-term labor (they don't know our group b strep status) and all the children who are on abx for the entire winter due to ear infections. Yikes! Thanks for the link, MT.
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Can you provide a link for that stuff about unvaccinated people having antibodies against tetanus?<br>
I've never read that before...</td>
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;Mamkay wrote<br><br>
Nope, I can't, because it came out of a book in the medical library. From memory the book was called "Vaccines" by Plotkin and Orenburger. Anyway, it is medical text and the authors were high up CDC officials. Stanley Plotkin is a bigwig. But it is all in their, they referred to studies done on tribes in Ethiopia and India. Their conclusions were that the natural immunity couldn't be anywhere as good as that derived from a vaccine.<br><br>
But this was just their opinions. There was no hard science to back it up.
 

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Hmmmm, natural, none toxic life long immunity not as good as short lived toxin rendered protection...... That leap of logic on their behalf is big enough to be a record me thinks. I guess it just shows how much of this depends on the point of view you are coming at it from.
 
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