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I thiunk that this is the disease that scares me most. Probaby cause its not communicable. This is the reason dd is up to date on her DTaP can you just get a a tet shot later on? This is the only thing that gets me uneasy about my no vax decision. Should I go thru another round on the DTaP and pray that she doesnt have a reaction.<br><br><br>
Another thought: per the cdc website, regarding vaer stats (i believe) 20,000 children a year are added to the list. 20,000 Isnt this a substantial amount in comparsion to the cases of vpd's we see (here in the US) Am I off base to think that you are more likey to experience a reaction to a vaccine than to have a complication from a VPD?? 20,000 and thats not taking into count those who are in the SIDS stats who never get a vaers ID.???
 

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what specifically about tetanus is scary to you, and we'll take it from there.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up">
 

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Take your time. Read each thread one by one. Then come back with questions.<br><br>
btw, you are not alone. Dr. Mendelsohn has said that tetanus was the last vaccine he gave up on. Same for me, but we would not vaccinated now with a 10 foot pole.<br><br><br><a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=783306" target="_blank">http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=783306</a><br><br><a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=318926" target="_blank">http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=318926</a><br><br><a href="http://mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=231708" target="_blank">http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...d.php?t=231708</a>
 

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I am with you on the tetanus scare part. It really scares me but I know logically it's so so rare that DS would get this. I know someone in real life who had tetanus and her account of the 2 weeks is just horrid. I can NOT imagine going through that. But, I know logically she was in the "high risk" group being a women over the age of 50. I can't compare that to a little boy you know?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">But, I know logically she was in the "high risk" group being a women over the age of 50.</div>
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What? I am woman. I am over 50. I am 62. I am an avid gardener. I love manure and roses with thorns. I would not ever consider myself "high risk".<br><br>
My grandmother lived to be 96 and always was a gardener, and herbalist, and picked berries and, and, and...<br><br><br><b>"high risk" is someone who is 70+ and diabetic and works with horses.</b><br>
Even those people barely ever get Tetanus and some have natural immunity.<br><br>
I don't consider myself "high risk" and no one could scare me into even thinking that way either.
 

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In no particular order:<br><br>
tetanus is VERY rare<br>
it's ALWAYS been very rare<br>
it's even MORE rare in children<br>
always has been<br>
you can get a tetanus vax any time<br>
tetanus is treatable<br><br>
And you are correct- vaccine reactions are MUCH more likely than catching ANY of the diseases we vax for. CDC admits it on the front page of the pink book.<br><br>
-Angela
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;"><br><br><b>"high risk" is someone who is 70+ and diabetic and works with horses.</b><br>
Even those people barely ever get Tetanus and some have natural immunity.<br><br>
I don't consider myself "high risk" and no one could scare me into even thinking that way either.</div>
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Wasn't trying to scare you <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> Just repeating what I read...which could have been CDC propaganda <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngtongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue">
 

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My ped isn't really pro or anti-vax, but I mentioned getting this shot for ds at his 2 year WBV. I thought that with him being a boy and a big explorer (yadda yadda yadda) that it might be a good one to get.<br><br>
My ped told me that it is super rare and that as long as he got a shot w/i 24 hours of getting cut (or whatever) that he'd be fine. I was shocked, but so glad she gave me honest advice instead of riding the typical pro-vax line.<br><br>
So, no research or anything, but a personal story for you. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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In the United States, tetanus is primarily a disease of older adults. Persons greater than or equal to 50 years of age now account for over 70% of reported cases. An average of 43 people per year contract Tetanus and there are 0-2 deaths out of a population of 301,139,947 in the US. (<span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">(FEMA) estimates there are 200 deaths and 750 severe injuries from lightning each year in the U.S.</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">).</span></span> A Tetanus vax is supposed to be a booster to those current on vax and TIG (tetanus immunoglobulin) is for the unvaxed.<br><br>
It is not the rust that causes tetanus, so a rusty nail in and of itself is not the issue. Tetanus needs an anaerobic environment to thrive. A wound that has bled is not typically that environment. Keep it clean and covered.<br><br><br><span style="font-size:small;"><b>Caring for a puncture wound</b><br>
Several times a day for four or five days, soak the wound in warm water. Use a bathtub or basin if the wound is on the foot or leg. Soaking helps clean the wound from the inside out.<br><br>
Monitor carefully for signs of infection. Because puncture wounds go deep, an infection may not become visible for several days after the injury.<br><br><b>When to seek immediate medical help</b><br>
When the wound becomes infected. Signs of infection include pus, increased pain, swelling, redness, tenderness, a sensation of warmth or visible redness radiating from the wound, or a fever of 100 degrees F or more.<br><br><a href="http://iier.isciii.es/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00000940.htm" target="_blank">http://iier.isciii.es/mmwr/preview/m...l/00000940.htm</a><br><br></span><b><span style="font-family:Verdana, Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Treatment of Tetanus</span></span></b><br><br><span style="font-family:Verdana, Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;"><a href="http://www.healthscout.com/ency/68/291/main.html#TreatmentofTetanus" target="_blank">http://www.healthscout.com/ency/68/2...tmentofTetanus</a><br><br>
Immune globulin, given intramuscularly, is the immediate treatment of unimmunized individuals exposed to material likely to contain the <a href="http://www.healthscout.com/ency/68/291/main.html" target="_blank">tetanus</a> bacteria. Treatment includes bed rest and quiet conditions.</span></span> <span style="font-family:Verdana, Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Sedation, paralysis with certain medications, and mechanical ventilation (i.e., respirator) may be necessary to control the spasms.</span></span><br><span style="font-family:Verdana, Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Antimicrobial drugs, such as penicillin, are used to eradicate the bacteria.</span></span><br><span style="font-family:Verdana, Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;"><b>Recovery</b></span></span><br><span style="font-family:Verdana, Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">For patients who survive tetanus, recovery can be long (1 to 2 months) and burdensome. Muscle spasms may begin to decrease after 10 to 14 days and disappear after another week or so. Residual weakness, stiffness, and other complaints may persist for a prolonged period, but complete recovery can occur from uncomplicated tetanus.</span></span><br><span style="font-family:Verdana, Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">Patients with tetanus are hospitalized in an intensive care unit until it is clear that the progression of the disease has stabilized at a level that does not interfere with vital functions, and that therapy can be managed outside the unit.</span></span>
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Wasn't trying to scare you <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> Just repeating what I read...which could have been CDC propaganda <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngtongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue"></div>
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Oh, don't worry, I am not <i>THAT</i> easy.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">
 

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Thanx tons for all posts, it helped to relieve my fears.<br><br>
Main problem I have is you never know what is going to cause it. I think that on some paranoid thought process will I freak over every incident? I never knew about the blleding wound not likey to cause tetanus. Thanx especially for that one.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">My ped told me that it is super rare and that as long as he got a shot w/i 24 hours of getting cut (or whatever) that he'd be fine.</div>
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Your ped is misinformed on that one. But she may be relying on the fact that kids actually don't get tetanus.<br><br>
If she gave a shot w/24 hours of a cut it might protect him for the next accident but not the one she is treating.<br><br>
Tetanus can develope within 2 weeks, the shot doesn't work for at least 3 weeks.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Thanx tons for all posts, it helped to relieve my fears.<br><br>
Main problem I have is you never know what is going to cause it. I think that on some paranoid thought process will I freak over every incident? I never knew about the blleding wound not likey to cause tetanus. Thanx especially for that one.</div>
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Just to throw this out there…..when was your last booster? If it was more then 10 years then are you worried about YOU getting tetanus?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">My ped told me that it is super rare and that as long as he got a shot w/i 24 hours of getting cut (or whatever) that he'd be fine. I was shocked, but so glad she gave me honest advice instead of riding the typical pro-vax line.</div>
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What shot? DTaP or immunoglobulin? Just want this clarified.<br><br>
I am not sure if this is true or not, but a physician's assistant and I were talking about tetanus and she said that alot depends on where the cut is. If the cut is low on the torso, there is much more time for the body to process (I assume develop antibodies to the vax versus the immunogloblulin) than if the cut occurred higher up, ie closer to the heart and brain.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">What shot? DTaP or immunoglobulin? Just want this clarified.<br><br>
I am not sure if this is true or not, but a physician's assistant and I were talking about tetanus and she said that alot depends on where the cut is. If the cut is low on the torso, there is much more time for the body to process (I assume develop antibodies to the vax versus the immunogloblulin) than if the cut occurred higher up, ie closer to the heart and brain.</div>
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Um.... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="innocent"> I'm not sure! I was looking into just getting the teatnus shot, not DTaP.<br><br>
Glad to know she's misinformed, though. Since she didn't give me a hassle about it, I didn't bother to double check her. Ack!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">In no particular order:<br><br>
tetanus is VERY rare<br>
it's ALWAYS been very rare<br>
it's even MORE rare in children<br>
always has been<br>
you can get a tetanus vax any time<br>
tetanus is treatable<br><br>
And you are correct- vaccine reactions are MUCH more likely than catching ANY of the diseases we vax for. CDC admits it on the front page of the pink book.<br><br>
-Angela</div>
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Where is this pink book? Hmmmm???? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1">
 

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<a href="http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/pink-chapters.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...k-chapters.htm</a>
 

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I remember reading somewhere that tetnus is pretty much unheard of in the under 5 population. So even if you think it is necessary to vax for, you can do it when your dd is much older.<br><br>
That being said, I wouldn't.
 

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We live on a farm. Animal poop galore on our pasture/yard. We're not vaxing and we're not worried, this is why:<br><br>
Tetanus is anaerobic. (Oxygen kills it). Hydrogren peroxide is H2O2, liquid oxygen if you will. Proper wound care should be all it takes to keep everyone in good health, without the use of invasive vaxes.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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We live farm-ishly as well..So--just treating every outdoor-aquired cut with hydrogen peroxide (and then soaking if it is deep and monitoring for infection/fever, especially if the cut is higher up on the body) should pretty much make our family safe from tetnus?
 
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