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My ped, who knows I'm delaying Dd's vaxes and has not given me a hard time about it, nevertheless strongly encouraged ME to get the flu shot so that I can pass on the immunities to DD through breastmilk. How does this work exactly? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch"> If it were the case that to protect DD from flu all I have to do is get the vaccine MYSELF, why can't she profit from all of my other vaccinations??<br><br>
Hey, I'll gladly get the shots for her and nurse the immunities through to her! But something tells me this is bogus advice I received. Thoughts?
 

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Actually your dd does profit from your immunizations while you're exclusively breastfeeding. When my FIL got shingles, my ped told me b/c she was bf and I had had the chicken pox, dd would be sheltered slightly. But the immunity only lasts while you're breastfeeding. It's not like she gets immunized from it but she gets your blood cells that fight the disease that your body generates if something comes up. Same with the flu shot, your immune system kicks in which then transfers white blood cells through breastmilk. But it's not like you get the shot, your child has gotten the equivalent of the shot, if that makes sense.<br><br>
eta though with the flu shot, if you're not immune compromised in some way, it's sort of pointless to get the shot b/c your body is going to produce those antibodies anyway should you get the flu. I have asthma so I do get the shot to lessen the affects if I get the flu.
 

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I don't have information about the immunity part, but I know your daughter WILL get mercury through breastmilk if you get a shot with thimerosal.
 

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Breastfed babies don't usually get the flu, just because your breastmilk will protect her from anything you're exposed to anyway. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up">
 

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This is ludicrous. Your ped is assuming first that the flu vaccine actually works <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/twins.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="twins">:
 

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Nora'smomma,<br><br>
Your breast milk is THE best antibody for the flu that your child can get.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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I think your bogus meter is on target.<br><br><br>
What it comes down to is there are nasty things in the flu shot that would also pass on to your kid. The flu shot also is highly ineffective, it's hard to even talk about how much good it can do in breastmilk when looking at the negatives of it.<br><br><br>
Here is a flu book that you might be interested in:<br><br><a href="http://www.cure-guide.com/Flu/flu.html" target="_blank">http://www.cure-guide.com/Flu/flu.html</a><br><br>
Check out the vitamin section on that cureguide website. I have followed most of it prior to finding his site for years and have yet to be sick while others have had colds and flus around me.<br><br>
This is how messed up the medical field is on the flu vaccine. While I was pregnant, my doc's office had info that said that the flu vaccine is toxic to first and second trimester babies due to the crap in them (they used a different word than crap lol). In my third trimester, she pushed me to get the flu shot. Now if I extrapolate this info, it makes no sense why on earth I should have gotten the flu shot. How did my body or the drug know that in the 3rd trimester it was all of a sudden safe? It didn't..my crap meter is pegged. I wish I had not been pushed into doing it...god knows what the mercury and aluminum and formaldahyde did to her system <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> through the umbilical cord and who truly knows what exactly it can do to your babe's system through breastmilk.
 

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Thanks, you guys - I thought this was a load of b.s. but I wanted to check just to make sure. What a great argument for extended nursing, by the way.<br><br>
Sherra - I think I've only got the flu shot a couple of times in my life. The only times I've ever contracted the flu are when I was already unhealthy. I think the last time I got flu was 7 or 8 years ago - I got it TWICE (and really severely) that season, two different strains I guess! But I was a 2-pack-a-day smoker, 50 lbs. overweight, who drank probably 44 oz.+ of coke every day...<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/yikes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="EEK!"> Plus I was in college, and these things run rampant on college campuses. Now I work from home, am thinner, haven't smoked in years, take probiotics and try to keep myself healthy, etc...so I think it's unlikely I will get the flu.<br><br>
Regarding thimerosal, of course if I got the flu shot I would get the mercury-free shot (yes, I know it also contains other bad stuff including probably some mercury). But I definitely won't be getting the shot.<br><br>
Regarding pregnancy, I think it's crazy about the flu shots too. They won't give one to a baby under 6 months but they'll give it to the mom in the 3rd trimester?? Makes no sense unless the mom is severely immuno-compromised, to me. My very holistically-inclined midwife (she also does Chinese medicine) urged me strongly to have the flu shot last winter while I was pg and I was kind of shocked. No, I didn't get it, but I told her I would...and then never mentioned it again since she was so adamant about it and I didn't want to fight over it...<br><br>
Egads, both modern and alternative medicine are so full of contradictions and half-truths it's almost impossible to figure out the best course!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I don't have information about the immunity part, but I know your daughter WILL get mercury through breastmilk if you get a shot with thimerosal.</div>
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Mercury and immunity.
 

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Heavy metals, like mercuy, actually accumalate in breastmilk, so the baby will get a higher dose from YOUR getting the shot than from getting the pediatric shot herself. (possibly even more than what babies got from the shot before they took the thimerosol out.) I'd never get any vaxes while nursing for this reason. nak
 

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Metals do get into the breastmilk.<br><br>
I remember that in the 1960s some doctors were warning that all of us carry Strontium 90 in our bones and bodies from the atomic blasts, and therefore all of these heavy metals would be passed into a baby who nurses.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch">.<br><br>
Their reasoning was that ff was better <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch">! WTF!?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">This is ludicrous. Your ped is assuming first that the flu vaccine actually works <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/twins.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="twins">:</div>
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<div style="font-style:italic;"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/yeahthat.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="yeah that">: I am with you on this one!</div>
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Me, too.<br>
Seriously. And I'm one of those people that think vaxes "work" a lot of the time.<br>
But the more I read and think about it, I really do think the folks that gaze into that magic crystal ball and try to predict what strains will be virulent this year have never, ever gotten it right.<br>
If there was even, say, a 10% reduced incidence in fatality among those who get the shot I'd think they've guessed correctly at least a few times.<br>
But zero? ZERO reduced fatality, while like 33 thousand people "die from the flu" every year?<br>
And the flu shot has an overall fatality reduction of ZERO?<br>
WTF? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/nut.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="nut">
 

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My understanding is that immunities from vaxes do NOT transfer in breastmilk. This is actually part of the reason they are pushing vaxes so young- because this generation of kids is born to parents that have no natural immunity to pass on.<br><br>
The mercury will pass through though...<br><br>
find a new dr.<br><br>
-Angela
 

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Well, we will be finding a new ped, 'cause we're moving. But I actually liked this one because she's a) really laid-back...she says her piece, I say my piece, and she says OK, no strong-arming and she respects us as parents and b) she is really thorough and answers all of our questions. She also has not asked us ONE "parenting" question such as "does she sleep through the night?". So when I think she might be off-base about vaccines, as in this case, I'm capable of verifying the correct information. But DD has a little bit of a problem with her hip, and I wouldn't be capable of verifying that by myself (I'd have never guessed - it's not something a layperson would notice). So I do need a ped for things like that and this one was pretty good compared to the 2 we saw before her. Sorry for the OT tangent, but I just had to defend the ped a little bit!<br><br>
I'm hoping we might be able to get in with Dr. Sears when my DH is able to switch his insurance. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> (Although Dr. Sears is a vax-er, he will be a much more informed person to discuss these issues with.)
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">My understanding is that immunities from vaxes do NOT transfer in breastmilk. This is actually part of the reason they are pushing vaxes so young- because this generation of kids is born to parents that have no natural immunity to pass on.<br><br>
The mercury will pass through though...<br><br>
find a new dr.<br><br>
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See, my understanding is that they at least <i>should</i>. The discrepancy is that vax immunity might have worn off from the low, non-replicating agent load before concieving.<br>
But if, say, you're still immune, then your bm will carry immunity. And if, say, the two of you become infected with whatever pathogen, then your bm protection goes into high gear.<br><br>
Say you were MMR'ed a few years ago and still have seroconversion. If you catch the measles when your baby does (within a day or so) your MMR antigenic memory will kick in, and there's a good chance neither of you will develop true measles. Your baby will "catch" the virus, as you do, and babe's immune system will have to fend for itself, to some extent.<br>
But, the bm immunity will "see" the virus in the respiratory tract, wipe it out, by and large, and the baby will get mild or no symptoms.<br>
Or if you just caught measles as a kid you'd get the same thing most times. The problem with vax/bm antibody carriage is an issue of immunological longevity, and nothing more.<br>
Unless I'm misunderstanding something. Which I tend to do.
 
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