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nak, excuse the typos!

So most people know that the female immune system attacks a pregnancy (at least, that's how it's been explained to me) because it sees the baby as a foreign invader.

If it reacts that badly to a naturally occuring even, to the point miscarriage can happen, what does it do when the diseases and chemicals are injected into the body? Something in MT's book made me think about it, something she said about her 2nd daughter's reaction, about how she seemed to be trying to "get something out of her, but can't" ...

Anything we put in our bodies sets the immune system into gear, foods, medicines, etc....things that are harmful to the body can send it into hyper drive, but overtax that system and it'll freak out, attacking it's self, or completely shutting down. Not sure where I'm going with this, but it suddenly clicked what vaccines do to the body, while I understood they were bad and some of the why, it clicks further in just as to why.

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That wasn't my daughter but people say that chapter is a bit confusing... We have two sons.. that lady had two girls, and is a friend of mine now. But went through difficult times, and her wee girl is still a bit frail.
 

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I'm surprised that a lot of men are reading it too... but they are. An australian midwife has been complaining to me all this week, that her husband who doesn't normally read, slothed off with the book and a bottle of red wine, and won't let her share either.
 

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Anything we put in our bodies sets the immune system into gear, foods, medicines, etc....things that are harmful to the body can send it into hyper drive, but overtax that system and it'll freak out, attacking it's self, or completely shutting down. Not sure where I'm going with this, but it suddenly clicked what vaccines do to the body, while I understood they were bad and some of the why, it clicks further in just as to why.

(thanks again MT
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This has always been one of my biggest concerns with vax. A baby's immune system is not mature - it's still learning what proteins are "self" and what are "not-self". I don't have specifics about how it all develops (it's truly mind-boggling to me) but I know that there's a process to this development. And I know deep in my gut that injecting chemicals, toxins, man-made proteins, and genetically engineered proteins from other animals cannot be part of that process.
 

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I don't have links, but I remember reading about how vaccines may be linked to the tremendous increase in auto immune disorders (which is when the body attacks itself), like Hashimotos thyroiditis, Lupus, MS, etc.
 

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See, if I'd quit reading so fast, I would have caught that it wasn't your DD
I really need to slow down
Then again, it'd take me 2 years to read it with all the kids "helping"
 

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I got a hep B shot before getting pregnant with Marah Jade and after the shot the serum came oozing back out of my arm. The nurse had to scramble for paper towels because it was dripping out. She freaked out and said "oh my gosh it is almost like your body is getting rid of it". Needless to say I never went back. I learned a good lesson that day about my body. Could have been pure circumstance but I have been looking into vaccines ever since.
 

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Thats what I think my oldest DS is trying to do.HE has excema but he also periodically rashes up with something else and then it goes away but it always comes back.
 

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my son does that too. It almost looks like a staph infection like boils they fill with puss pop and scab over. he mostly gets it in his diaper area. Same thing with you?
 

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DS's are on his torso and they don't fill with puss but they do scab over probably from his scratching.They look like a contact rash, real fine and flesh colored until he scratches.I feel so bad cuz everybody asks me about them when it is active whcich is every couple of weeks.
 

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I'm surprised that a lot of men are reading it too...
Dh is really interested in reading it, but hes not allowed it until i finish it
 

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I don't have links, but I remember reading about how vaccines may be linked to the tremendous increase in auto immune disorders (which is when the body attacks itself), like Hashimotos thyroiditis, Lupus, MS, etc.
Does anyone have more information regarding vaccines and autoimmune/immunosuppressed diseases?
 

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my son does that too. It almost looks like a staph infection like boils they fill with puss pop and scab over. he mostly gets it in his diaper area. Same thing with you?

Sounds like impetigo, which can be caused by staph or strep. Has a doctor looked at it or have you tried treating it with anything? If so, what did you use?
 

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nak, excuse the typos!

So most people know that the female immune system attacks a pregnancy (at least, that's how it's been explained to me) because it sees the baby as a foreign invader.

If it reacts that badly to a naturally occuring even, to the point miscarriage can happen, what does it do when the diseases and chemicals are injected into the body? Something in MT's book made me think about it, something she said about her 2nd daughter's reaction, about how she seemed to be trying to "get something out of her, but can't" ...
A better analogy would be that your immune system suppresses the part of the immune system which rejects a "graft". The baby is half your husband, so if your immune system doesn't put gum on the switch that says "eject that not of yours" then your body would attack the baby and you'd miscarry.

So your body sort of does to you, what suppression drugs do for the person with a heart transplant.

The reaction to a vaccine is different, and pretty much unknown. They know the endpoint, the Z, say, but not the BCD, etc bits in between. and because everyone is different the mechanics of the body's response will vary widely.

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Anything we put in our bodies sets the immune system into gear, foods, medicines, etc....things that are harmful to the body can send it into hyper drive, but overtax that system and it'll freak out, attacking it's self, or completely shutting down. Not sure where I'm going with this, but it suddenly clicked what vaccines do to the body, while I understood they were bad and some of the why, it clicks further in just as to why.
It's more that they don't KNOW what vaccines do in the body, and this is one reason why they have such difficulty researching vaccines in general.

That's exemplified by this press release:

Ignore the hyperbole, and look at what they are admitting they don't know in this:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...al-2305100.php

Public release date: 23-May-2000
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We have a lot more to learn before we can halt the AIDS pandemic
Vaccines work simply by producing antibodies, right? Well, probably not. And this misconception coupled with basic ignorance of how they do work is stalling the urgent quest for an AIDS vaccine, claim leading HIV researchers. They say no one has bothered to find out how highly successful vaccines like polio, measles and hepatitis B actually protect people from disease.

"I'm amazed by the amount of basic science we don't know," Philippe Kourilsky, director of the Paris-based Pasteur Institute, told the meeting: "We've had many successful vaccines over the past decades but we've missed a chance to see how these vaccines work. Each time a vaccine works the scientific community wanders off and leaves it to the public health workers to use it-and fails to invest in the research. If we had done that we would have been in a much better position to tackle the AIDS vaccine problem."

The assumption that successful vaccines work by simply producing antibodies is almost certainly wrong, Neal Nathanson, director of the US Office of AIDS Research, warns. "Hepatitis B vaccine is a good example. It's amazingly effective but no one knows how it works. And what's really interesting is it does work, even though HBV is a persistent infection-like HIV."

The vaccine probably stimulates some protective effect relying on killer T cells. But no one knows how it does it or what exactly the process is-even though the vaccine has been widely used for nearly ten years. It's a similar story for other highly successful vaccines including polio, measles and smallpox, he says. Ruth Ruprecht, a vaccine researcher and professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School, points out it's hard to get funding to research vaccines that already exist. "I always run into prejudice," she told New Scientist. "They say: 'It's old. What good is it?'"

Even if researchers can plug these huge gaps in their basic understanding, they may face another obstacle in their pursuit of an AIDS vaccine. Inducing antibodies against HIV might, in the initial stages of infection, do more harm than good, claims Ron Montelaro of the University of Pittsburgh.

His studies of a HIV-related virus that infects horses, known as the equine infectious anaemia virus, appears to confirm that the antibodies which initially respond to an infection can help spread the viruses around the body. Some vaccines designed to protect horses from infection make them die more quickly than unvaccinated horses, he found.

This process, whereby antibody production helps rather than hinders infectious agents, has been dubbed "enhancement". Montelaro suggests that these early enhancing antibodies actually help pull virus particles into the cells they are trying to infect. "It's an issue people haven't wanted to think about. But we might have to," he says. Jay Levy of the University of California at San Francisco, agrees: "Efforts to avoid these harmful consequences of HIV immunisation must be given a high priority."

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Michael Day reports from the Pasteur Institute meeting in Paris.

New Scientist issue: 27th March 2000

PLEASE MENTION NEW SCIENTIST AS THE SOURCE OF THIS STORY AND, IF PUBLISHING ONLINE, PLEASE CARRY A HYPERLINK TO: http://www.newscientist.com
 

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Anything we put in our bodies sets the immune system into gear, foods, medicines, etc....things that are harmful to the body can send it into hyper drive, but overtax that system and it'll freak out, attacking it's self, or completely shutting down. Not sure where I'm going with this, but it suddenly clicked what vaccines do to the body, while I understood they were bad and some of the why, it clicks further in just as to why.
I've talked with friends before about vaccines and when I say "vaccines weaken the immune system" people get all weird on me. If what we eat and stress can lower our immune response....how could injected toxins NOT do that?
 

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