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I live downunder, and a little over. It is all in the news here. An attractive young Australian woman called Schapelle Corby got caught allegedly trying to import 4.5kgs (about 9 pds) of marajuana into Bali, Indonesia. It has caught the attention of the Australian and New Zealand media because she has pleaded her innocence.<br><br>
Everyone is debating whether she is innocent or guilty. But she has just been handed down a 20 year prison sentence by the Balinese judge, which I think is sooooooooo draconian and ridiculous. It is completely out of proportion. The poor woman must be beside herself, and must feel she is in a living nightmare. The Indonesian prisons are not for the fainthearted , and there is no chance for parole. She will be 47 when she gets out!!!<br><br>
I just think the laws against cannabis are ludicrous. Alcolhol does far more damage. What do you think? Did she deserve to go down?
 

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I'm guessing there are no responses because no one can imagine the arguement for putting someone in jail for 20 years for *any* amount of mj.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/disappointed.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="disappointed"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/mecry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="crying">. How awful. Poor woman, if is she is guilty, this is awful. 20 years <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/Rainbow.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rainbow peace"><br>
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I would prefer it decriminalised rather than legalized. I wouldn't want to see cannabis advertised on TV, glamourised in glossy mags like tobacco and liquor are. I don't think liquor or cigarrettes should be legal either, just not a criminal offence to use the stuff.
 

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I agree that it's totally ridiculous to put her in jail. But, I have to add, she must have been out of her mind. Who carries that much of a known illegal substance over an international border? She must have been insane. I can't even imagine. Or maybe, someone else put it in her belongings without her knowledge?<br><br>
I hope she manages to get out somehow. Years and years ago, a friend of a friend was jailed in Turkey for a similar offense (it was hashish though, and considerably less bulky, but still very risky), and his parents ended up buying him out of jail (bribery basically).
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: give me a flipping break. we let rapists out after 5 years tops and someone gets 20 years for selling grass. come ON people! its called <b><i>priorities</i></b>!
 

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Hmmm. It is very well known among Western travelers to South and South East Asia that importing drugs is a big no-no for which you may spend the rest of your life in the slammer. Whether pot should be legalized is a good discussion in the context of changing the laws in one's own country, but it hardly qualifies as a human rights abuse to outlaw the importation of an illegal substance. Guests are just that--guests!<br><br>
Australians should know better than anyone that you just can't go to Indonesia with a bag full of dope. I am guessing that there's more to the story, like she was bribed/forced into doing it, or that someone slipped it into her bag.<br><br>
When I was in Nepal, an American student was caught sending pot out of the country, and he spent years in a Nepali jail for it. They don't feed you there. Very scary, and very dumb.
 

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I think that is completely ridiculous. Marijaunaia should be legal. Alcohol has worse effects on a human than pot. Tabacoo kills you faster. Pot does have medicinal benefits. If alcohol is legal, and tabacoo is legal, then pot should be. Pot is not in the class of drugs such a cocaine, crystal meth, ecstasy, ext. It IS a mind-altering substance, but it is nowhere near as harmful as harder drugs. Yes, it's not good for you, but alcohol is worse for you. Geez they should let the poor girl go. 20 years for pot? Please. That is wrong no matter how you look at it.
 

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Well, that's just outrageous!<br><br>
Who will protect the innocents!??!<br><br>
Who will save our country!??!<br><br><b>Who will stock the jails!??!</b><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:
 

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Yes, We've heard all about Schepelle Corby here. And yes, 20 years is definately an extreme sentence. I'm totally against people getting harsh sentences just so they are an example to deter others.<br>
I'm on the fence about whether she's guilty or not, there is alot of convincing evidence both ways. ( I do wonder though, would it have got as much media attention if she wasn't young and pretty?)<br><br>
I'm not so sure about the legalising of cannibas, I think alot of thought and debate needs to go into it before that happens (i.e age limits, growing it to sell in bulk etc.)<br>
Decriminalising (sp?) is another story. I think it does have medicinal benefits that people should be able to use.
 

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The law is an ass. Full stop. And when it comes to cannabis, I'm definitely in the decriminalization camp, for a number of reasons. Herb is already partly legal in some parts of Aus, & I think that is, in part, driving the Australian response to the verdict. Nonetheless, whether or not I agree with it, possessing 4kg, particularly at an international border, is still very much as illegal here as it is in Indonesia. Schapelle Corby would still be in deep shit even if she had been 'caught' in Brisbane, say, & it <i>is</i> possible that she's actually been caught out taking hydro herb into Bali.....<br><br>
Another possibility is that she was the victim of an AUstralian internal drug smuggling operation gone wrong....<br><br><a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Qantas-sacks-second-baggage-handler/2005/06/04/1117825089498.html" target="_blank">Qantas sacks second baggage handler</a><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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The idea that an internal drug smuggling ring exists doesn't surprise me in the slightest, tbh, based on my personal experience with the domestic airline service. It seems to me that Aus customs are reasonably thorough when it comes to checking incoming international passengers, but it's easy to fly out of here, & domestic flights are pretty low-key when it comes to security.<br><br>
Corby called as a witness a prisoner from Australia who said that he had overheard a conversation that indicated that Corby's bags had been used to smuggle dope. THe evidence was admitted in the Balinese court, but would have been inadmissible in an Aus court as hearsay. In reality, John Ford's testimony didn't help Corby one bit. And regardless of whether she did the deed or not, 20 years is just ridiculous......<br><br><br>
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None of which excuses, imo, the response from certain sectors of the Australian media, which included calling the Indonesian judges monkeys & complaining that they did not speak English... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"><br><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s1380393.htm" target="_blank">http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/tra...s/s1380393.htm</a><br><br>
Nor does it excuse mailing white powder in an envelope to the indonesian embassy in Canberra.....<br><a href="http://smh.com.au/news/World/Biological-agent-shuts-Indonesian-embassy/2005/06/01/1117568243315.html" target="_blank">Biological agent shuts Indonesian embassy</a><br><br><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200506/s1382484.htm" target="_blank">Indonesia condemns 'terrorist attack' on embassy</a><br><br><br>
I feel sorry for the woman, regardless of whether she's guilty or not, and I sure wish the law wasn't such an ass...... And I wish even more that Australian xenophobia would die a timely death......
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Well, that's just outrageous!<br><br>
Who will protect the innocents!??!<br><br>
Who will save our country!??!<br><br><b>Who will stock the jails!??!</b><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:</div>
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I don't really care whether Schapelle Corby is innocent or guilty. The point is she is being put away in the slammer for a ridiculous amount of time, no chance of parole. Apparently the Balinese courts just a short time before gave 2 Balinese cold-blooded murderers only 6 years (because they were polite)!!! And Corby got 20 years, and another 6 months if she didn't pay up a large sum of money.<br><br>
Anyway, I totally support decriminalisation of cannabis, though not it's legalisation. Does anyone here know the difference? I believe it comes down to it not being an offence to grow your own, to smoke it etc. , nor to grow the non-high stuff to make hemp. You just wouldn't be able to mass manufacture it, list on the stock exchange and advertise it on TV, that is all. Legalisation would allow people to do all that.<br><br>
I actually think cannabis is a detrimental drug, and don't smoke it myself. But I totally agree it is not as dangerous as alcohol or cocaine. Not sure about tobacco though. Tobacco is not as mind altering imo, though more addictive.<br><br>
Hey has anyone heard that it was the cotton industry in the 1920s that wanted cannabis made illegal? Hemp used to be a major textile...used to make cloth, rope, all sorts of things. It is a wonderful material, very strong and durable. Someone told me Henry Ford once made a car completely out of hemp!!! He kind of plasticised it to make body and engine parts. There is a photo of him hitting it with a sledgehammer! He could even run it on a bio-fuel made of cannabis oil.
 

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Of course I think, guilty or not, Shappelle Corby should not be going to jail.<br><br>
And I believe mj should be decriminalized, everywhere.<br><br>
The space that opens up in prisons following the de-criminalization of drugs could be used to house people we no longer kill once the death penalty has been abolished.
 

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I thought the US still had the death penalty. Hopefully I'm wrong, as too many innocent black men have been wrongfully killed by racist courts, from what I hear.
 
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