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I'm trying to figure out if I am just cranky from being pregnant (very real possibility
) or if I am somehow otherwise justified in my annoyance on this issue, or if I should just "let this one go."

My husband is a napper. He's a professional napper. If there were a job during which the only requirements would be napping, he'd be a millionaire. I jest. Kind of. But not really.

He likes to stay up late-ish, say midnight. Sometimes I insist on an 11:30 bedtime, other times (like on the weekend) he'll stay up until 1. He gets up at 6:45 for work. After work, he naps for two hours. Every day. He'll nap for longer on the weekend, sometimes up to three hours. He usually gets up in the morning around 10 on the weekends. After his nap, he likes to have some r&r -- nothing demanding. A nice low-key activity like reading, but most likely the computer or tv. For about 2 hours. Sometimes more. So here we're looking at he gets off work at 4:30, lays down until 6:30, and relaxes until 8:30. We eat dinner around 8:30 in our house. After dinner, he likes to digest -- some kind of nice, low key activity. Computer. TV. But in his defense, he will wash a few of the dinner pots before relaxing. Then my son needs his downtime, story/talk time and/or bath and to be in bed by 9:30 (especially since he started school). Then from 10-11:30 or bed time, the husband will poke around and do a few things around the house if I have asked for something specific.

On the weekends when I would like to run errands and go out and do fun things and get house projects completed, he says he needs to relax after working all week. All I can say is "HUH? You RELAX every day!" And then we fight. Once a month, I'll get a good "project" day out of him, but then he's exhausted and needs to relax the whole rest of the month to make up for it.

I'm about to go batty. To me it feels like he is wasting his whole day. Nothing gets done. Quality time is not spent. If I press for less down time, he gets very defensive and has on occasion called me a "slave driver." This confuses me because I am actually a laid back person who loves her downtime, relaxing activities, and even the occasional nap. I'm not an extrovert, and I'm not "high energy."

So yeah. My husband is a professional napper, and I live in The Napping House. Let's hope his gestating offspring is similar in temperament so that her mommy gets a break.
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So your husband gets FOUR HOURS of time to himself after work? No childcare, house cleaning or dinner prep? Heck no, that is so bogus! Does he not realize he is a hubby and a dad?????

Free time to one's self does not occur until the other things are done. I wish I could have free time too, my DH even more, but that is totally unrealistic with two small children.
That so would not fly with me. I'm getting irked on your behalf just reading about it.
OK, just for illustration, I'll say it is right now a quarter after 7. he got up from his nap almost on schedule at 6:35 -- complaining that my son and I were too noisy while he was napping, and didn't matter he was trying to rest. My son and I were playing, listening to music, pretending to be in a band, and chasing each other with random yards of fabric and stuffed animals.

He is now on to his next predictable activity -- laying on the bed with the laptop. I have poked my head in there twice, once to make myself seen and once to make a suggestion that we do something. He isn't feeling well right now. I popped on the computer, and my son would like someone to play with. I told him to go talk to the hubby
Hubby shoos him out to the livingroom, so I call out, "Wanna play with the kidlet for a while before I start thinking about dinner?" He doesn't feel well. This is typical, though the answer varies from "I didn't sleep well last night" to "I had tough day at work today" (he works from home, at a computer) or "I'm still recuperating from the last big project you asked me to do."

If I make a fuss, he'll bring up how I get to relax all day because I am a mostly sahm, and he doesn't complain that I don't do enough, so why am I bugging him.

I'm cranky. pregnant cranky is worse than normal cranky.
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OK-- if he sleeps 8 hours a day-- 6 hours at night and 2 as a nap-- that's a normal 8 hours, so I wouldn't have a problem with that. The other stuff-- I'd wonder if he might have some kind of illness, sleep apnea or depression, or something. Does he have anything chronic like rheumatoid arthritis or whatever? That can also cause fatigue.

So I guess, I'd say, he should go to a doctor to find out why he seems to be so tired so much of the time.
Your hubby is really in a fantasy land. What does he think is going to happen once the new baby comes?

These sound like the fun hours I kept in college - no house, no kids, no spouse, no responsibilities.
I would second the suggestion that this level of fatique is not normal in a grown man. Please have him see a doctor -- there are all kinds of things that might be causing issues and they should be checked out.

If he is physically healthy then you need to have a serious discussion about what needs to happen each night and what his part of it will be. Depending on how old your son is, he may also need a weekend or so of sole kid responsibility so he can see just how much "relaxing" you actually get as a SAHM!
In my opinion, if there's nothing physically wrong with him, he's either lazy or depressed, or both. In any case this is not a workable situation for a young family. He needs to be awake and available to be a parent and spouse. He should go to bed at a decent hour so he doesn't need to nap so much.

I personally love to stay up and watch tv late into the night, but when I do I'm exhausted the next day and I desperately need a nap. I have to discipline myself to go to bed at a decent hour so I can be well rested enough to be a good mom during the day. It is a choice.
Um, I think you are totally justified. Every once and a while, I don't think that napping AND having down time is unreasonable. For example, if it was a really hard day at work or something equally unusual. But everyday? No. And since when is being a SAHM relaxing? Last time I checked, the majority of SAHMs didn't sit around eating bon bons all day. Sheesh.

I can't say what I'd do in such a situation (I told dh if he requested something like this everyday, I'd have to poke his eyeballs out, but obviously I jest), but I agree with the PPs about seeing about getting him into a doctor. If it is laziness, well, that's a whole different ball game.
I'm not sure whether or not I think the nap is excessive - the hours sort of add up ok. Like if he wanted to go to bed at 9:30 or 10 pm would it be ok with you? If so then the nap is ok.

But he needs a much longer list at night
, and the rest is crazy with a young family. The nap is a bit crazy too but lots of cultures have siestas.

Also the SAHM comment was nuts. However there is a solution - go away for a weekend and see what he thinks at the end of it.
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In my opinion, if there's nothing physically wrong with him, he's either lazy or depressed, or both.
Um... depression *is* a medical problem. It can be treated, which may be what he needs.
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These sound like the fun hours I kept in college - no house, no kids, no spouse, no responsibilities.
Yep. I used to sleep wacky hours back when I was single & living alone, but doing it while married with a child and another on the way? Get real!
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He doesn't feel well. This is typical, though the answer varies from "I didn't sleep well last night" to "I had tough day at work today" (he works from home, at a computer) or "I'm still recuperating from the last big project you asked me to do."
That is BS. Let me guess - the "not feeling well" always seems to conveniently coincide with him being asked to do something he doesn't want to do.


I would not be happy about this situation either. He's taking his leisure time at your expense, and that's not fair. He needs to go to bed at a reasonable hour, and be there to help out in the evenings.

If he thinks that being a SAHM is one long holiday, then he needs a wake-up call. I would be tempted to leave for the weekend and let him see how much relaxing he does when he's being the primary parent.
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Being totally honest this a BS dynamic and you have got to put it an end to it.

I honestly can't believe you are even questioning your right to be annoyed by this. I'd be furious if my partener acted this way.

You work all day too when is your nap and your 2 hours of relaxation? He is a dad, a husband, and a memeber of your household and he needs to start acting like one.

Why are you letting him get away with this and then feeling bad because you expect some help?
I'd keep a little log for, oh, about a week of how many times he says he needs to rest, for how long, that he doesn't feel well, etc. After a week, I'd have a sit-down with him, present a nice little tallied list. "Honey, I'm concerned. You felt sick 6 out of the last 7 days and needed to pass on 24 activities in only a week. You need to see a doctor. That is NOT normal." And go from there.

Those little logs, done on yourself, work great for reminding WOHM partners exactly how much a SAHM does every day, too.
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wow i would be flaming mad! lol
i am thinking he needs the nap because he isn't getting enough total sleep time at night. if he went to bed at 10, then he would get those 8 hours in a row. i guess what would chap my butt, is that the whole evening schedule is based on his needs/nap, etc. you may not eat so late if he was up and about. so if he went to bed early then you would eat early and be able to do your evening stuff before 10 pm.
i also 3rd the suggestion of him seeing a doctor and keeping the log. i can't imagine what you have him do once a month that it takes him 30 days to recover from. i could see a big weekend long project meaning monday you need a nap, but a month? no way. doesn't compute! does he do on-line gaming? could he be addicted to that?
i feel bad for your LO having daddy not play with him in the evenings.


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To be honest, we've been arguing about this for a while (and I loathe arguing). if I bring up exactly how long he's been napping or relaxing, he gets very defensive and upset. One time I said (and I quote), "Wow. I didn't realize you needed so much downtime!" he has brought these words back to me time and time again, saying just how hurtful they were. I wasn't trying to be hurtful when I said them; I literally had no idea he needed so much downtime. He has told me on more than one occasion that I must really, really hate to see a man relaxing because I act peevish if he "sits down for five minutes." I would have no problem with him sitting down for 5 minutes. I start to get agitated after he's been sitting on his rear for hours, day after day.

In fact, he hurt his back this week because he sat at the computer all day for work, came down on his lunch break and goofed on the computer for an hour, and then came down after work and sat at the computer desk for another 4 hours, after a weekend of doing pretty much the same. I had warned him that sitting like that for a prolonged time would make his muscles protest, but he thought I was just getting on him. Well, now his back muscles are all cranky, so he doesn't want to do anything around the house because he is sore.

I've talked to him about my fears and concerns about after the baby is born, and he gets offended saying I have no faith in him. He also says I clearly wanted a type of guy who would do everything for me. I think these are unfair statements, personally. I know he lacks a bit of emotional maturity (I knew that going into the relationship, so I can't really complain too much about it), but it really rubs me the wrong way when he says I make him feel guilty when he sees me working/cleaning/parenting while he is relaxing -- as if I am just doing it to make him feel bad or something.

And I will be the first to admit, I am no work-a-holic. I take a lot of pride in my home, so I do keep it very tidy. But in all honesty, I can do a lot very quickly, and I finish meaningful portions before stopping. So, in theory, I can tidy the living room, vacuum, and dust in a little under an hour. When I'm done, I can come on MDC or email my friends or read up on something I'm interested in for a while. When the kidlet is amusing himself, I take moments for myself. When the kidlet needs some attention, we tidy or cook or play or read together. To me, it is all a balance of getting the necessities done and then relaxing when the chores are completed. And I do get "downtime" as a sahm, though I do have a very spirited child who can drain me quickly with his high needs.

And I will say, in hubby's defense, that he has had to come a long way in our relationship. he had to get used to having a small child around while we were dating and then becoming a step-parent when we married. He had to quit smoking. He had to go from being only completely responsible for his own needs and wants to being responsible for a whole family, both financially and emotionally, which means giving up a lot of the luxuries he was used to providing for himself. I think the problem stems from the fact that he believes that since he has made all these "sacrifices" he now doesn't need to do "anything else."

After typing out my post last night, I cooked dinner. At dinner, he said that he could tell i was "in a bad mood" and wanted to know what he did this time. I felt bad that I must seem just so crabby to him. I made one remark that, honestly, it was the end of my day and I was tired because I didn't get a 2 hour nap. After dinner, he wanted to know why I wasn't very talkative, and I told him I had been feeling friendly and talkative from about 5:30-7:30, and he wasn't around. The kidlet was particularly high needs last night, so my evening was spent with a pouty husband and a screaming kid.

And then he wonders why I'm in a bad mood every evening.
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I really do think he needs to see a doctor.
I didn't realize your son is your DH's stepchild. I think that changes things a bit. I still believe your DH is being ridiculous with his needs and his whining, but I don't think it's fair to expect him to watch your son at night (if that's what you are, in fact, expecting). That statement is based on my own notions of stepfamily dynamics, and I know yours may be different.

But anyway, I would still be upset.
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Originally Posted by HappyMommy2 View Post
Your hubby is really in a fantasy land. What does he think is going to happen once the new baby comes?

These sound like the fun hours I kept in college - no house, no kids, no spouse, no responsibilities.
Yep.

I would love to be able to stay up late and do whatever I want but I don't because I need to function during the day and evening.

The level of napping and relaxing you describe is not normal and not ok for someone who has a family.
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To be honest, we've been arguing about this for a while (and I loathe arguing). if I bring up exactly how long he's been napping or relaxing, he gets very defensive and upset. One time I said (and I quote), "Wow. I didn't realize you needed so much downtime!" he has brought these words back to me time and time again, saying just how hurtful they were. I wasn't trying to be hurtful when I said them; I literally had no idea he needed so much downtime. He has told me on more than one occasion that I must really, really hate to see a man relaxing because I act peevish if he "sits down for five minutes." I would have no problem with him sitting down for 5 minutes. I start to get agitated after he's been sitting on his rear for hours, day after day.

In fact, he hurt his back this week because he sat at the computer all day for work, came down on his lunch break and goofed on the computer for an hour, and then came down after work and sat at the computer desk for another 4 hours, after a weekend of doing pretty much the same. I had warned him that sitting like that for a prolonged time would make his muscles protest, but he thought I was just getting on him. Well, now his back muscles are all cranky, so he doesn't want to do anything around the house because he is sore.

I've talked to him about my fears and concerns about after the baby is born, and he gets offended saying I have no faith in him. He also says I clearly wanted a type of guy who would do everything for me. I think these are unfair statements, personally. I know he lacks a bit of emotional maturity (I knew that going into the relationship, so I can't really complain too much about it), but it really rubs me the wrong way when he says I make him feel guilty when he sees me working/cleaning/parenting while he is relaxing -- as if I am just doing it to make him feel bad or something.

And I will be the first to admit, I am no work-a-holic. I take a lot of pride in my home, so I do keep it very tidy. But in all honesty, I can do a lot very quickly, and I finish meaningful portions before stopping. So, in theory, I can tidy the living room, vacuum, and dust in a little under an hour. When I'm done, I can come on MDC or email my friends or read up on something I'm interested in for a while. When the kidlet is amusing himself, I take moments for myself. When the kidlet needs some attention, we tidy or cook or play or read together. To me, it is all a balance of getting the necessities done and then relaxing when the chores are completed. And I do get "downtime" as a sahm, though I do have a very spirited child who can drain me quickly with his high needs.

And I will say, in hubby's defense, that he has had to come a long way in our relationship. he had to get used to having a small child around while we were dating and then becoming a step-parent when we married. He had to quit smoking. He had to go from being only completely responsible for his own needs and wants to being responsible for a whole family, both financially and emotionally, which means giving up a lot of the luxuries he was used to providing for himself. I think the problem stems from the fact that he believes that since he has made all these "sacrifices" he now doesn't need to do "anything else."

After typing out my post last night, I cooked dinner. At dinner, he said that he could tell i was "in a bad mood" and wanted to know what he did this time. I felt bad that I must seem just so crabby to him. I made one remark that, honestly, it was the end of my day and I was tired because I didn't get a 2 hour nap. After dinner, he wanted to know why I wasn't very talkative, and I told him I had been feeling friendly and talkative from about 5:30-7:30, and he wasn't around. The kidlet was particularly high needs last night, so my evening was spent with a pouty husband and a screaming kid.

And then he wonders why I'm in a bad mood every evening.

Sweetie, he is gaslighting you so badly. Every time you bring up a legitimate issue about his lack of adult participation in your family unit, he flim flams, manipulates and guilt trips you until YOU feel bad for "asking too much of him" and expressing yourself. I'm so angry on your behalf!

I think you need to do two things first - put together a reasonable wish list of what his participation in your (and by "your" I mean "his and your") family needs to be, so all parties are pulling their own weight in terms of homecare, childcare, etc., and getting reasonable amounts of personal time and relaxation; then, you need to do some self examination to determine why you let yourself be so easily derailed when it comes to expressing your issues and pushing for a solution. Are you generally an insecure person? Do you consider yourself unworthy of good treatment? Do you feel "lucky" to have him for some reason? Are you afraid to be without him for some reason? I'm not saying you need to post on this board what your feelings are, but in order to move this forward, I think you need to identify why his standard responses can make you shrink away so easily.

After you figure these things out, you can approach him with your wishlist, and when he starts with the mindgames, you can give yourself peptalks so you don't back down. Maybe if you successfully push past a certain point in his defense, and he sees a new strength in you, you can make some headway.

As for your reference to his "downtime" being "hurtful" - puh-leeeeze. How about how hurtful it is to you that he has so little respect for you that he clearly believes you are not worthy of the same "downtime, "relaxation," personal time and nap schedule that he reserves for himself? Of course he becomes angry and defensive when you bring these things up - you're threatening his verrrry comfortable status quo.

I hope I don't make you angry or upset with these comments. I'm sure you deserve much better than this selfish person you find yourself saddled with, whether better comes in the form of getting him to change, or perhaps leaving him behind.

Jane
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