[Lady Lilya]

Hi.

I have very limited choices in my are for pediatricians or family doctors. I wanted to have one available, just in case of need, so in an emergency i wouldn't have to take my chances.

I interviewed one, and liked her very much. She was very much accepting of non-vaxing and non-circing, and said that i am the parent and it is up to me. I had been worried since most docs here won't keep you as a patient unless you agree to do things their way. I really liked her office (set up like a home) and how accessible she will be. The location is perfect for me. She had a very pleasant manner and a sense of humor. Her education and experience are extensive. She speaks my husband's native language.

Only one small issue.....
I mentioned not retracting. She said that she doesn't touch the foreskin for the first year, but then after that you have to start training it.

What mainstream resources can I print for her to show her that this is not correct?

 

[Tinker]

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Originally Posted by Lady Lilya Only one small issue..... I mentioned not retracting. She said that she doesn't touch the foreskin for the first year, but then after that you have to start training it.

Train it to do what? Juggle knives?

 

[alegna]

I don't have a link, but the AAP's own info says that's not right.

And yeah- TRAIN it? WTH?

Does she try to train little girls' vulvas too?

Creepy...

-Angela

 

[Jenivere]

Train it to do what exactly? It's not a dog for heavan's sake! I don't have any articles for you and I am glad she is not pro-circ but it sounds like she deffinitly needs some education on this topic.

 

[mntnmom]

Check the resources sticky at the top of the forum. I think "nocirc" has a link to the AAP statement on intact care. There is good medical info on Doctor's against Circ' as well.
I don't know how in the world you *could* train it??

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It usually isn't even retractable at a year! For thousands of years they've been just fine. My male German pedi didn't give my 1yr old DS penis more than the most cursory glance. At 2 and a half he's non retractile and JUST FINE!

 

[carriebft]

The best info to give her would probably be the AAP statement on care of the uncircumcised penis:

http://www.cirp.org/library/normal/aap1999/

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Foreskin retraction occurs when the foreskin can be pulled away from the glans toward the abdomen. This process happens on its own. When it happens is different for every child. Most boys will be able to retract their foreskins by the time that they are 18 years old.

Perhaps bold the line "This process happens on its own."

 

[Leiahs]

Try this leaflet provided by Doctors Opposing Circumcision, titled "The Development of Retractile Foreskin in the Child and Adolescent", aimed at healthcare providers:

http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcisi...0-2005-dan.pdf

 

[Microsoap]

Here's a pause for thought that overall, most American Canadian don't know anything about intact penises:

Only in the U.S. and Canada would a doctor even THINK about retraction on a baby or toddler. You see, doctors in non-circumcising countries don't even think about retracting a foreskin. They naturally know the foreskin is fused to the glans and will become retractable in due time (none of this "...should be retractable by 3 or 4", or 'x' number of years garbage!). There's been plenty of postings here from parents in non-circumcising countries (80+% of the world) and they never thought about retraction during diaper changes and bathings and brought their sons to doctor which ALSO didn't think about retracting a foreskin. If you look at the fact that the U.S. and Canada are two countries that still circumcise their males at birth (excluding Israel and Middle Eastern countries) and have doctors telling patients that "so and so" should happen to the foreskin, it proves the doctors' word being golden is simply not the case.

 

[MCatLvrMom2A&X]

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Originally Posted by carriebft The best info to give her would probably be the AAP statement on care of the uncircumcised penis: http://www.cirp.org/library/normal/aap1999/ Perhaps bold the line "This process happens on its own."

This one is from the AAP so it is the rule she should follow. Also if you feel it is needed I would print out the Intact Care Agreement and have it put in his file so she will know just how serious you are about this.

I dont know were she got that "training it" thing from but honestly it dosnt surprise me at all given that for the most part American Dr's and healthcare workers are ignorent of intact penise care.

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Originally Posted by Tinker Train it to do what? Juggle knives?

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[Lady Lilya]

But she isn't American! That is why I chose her, because I knew she must have seen lots of intact ones.

She is Russian and did her initial schooling in Poland, worked there for a while, then came here and did more schooling and more working.

I figured this was the best option, because she would have experience with natural penises, but also have years of experience working with the American medical bureaucracy.

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Thanks for the links, people!

 

[MCatLvrMom2A&X]

Maybe some of the training she got here was on the foreskin but I doubt that since it seems the only thing they teach dr here about it is how to cut it off.
The infomation or training it is outdated and wrong maybe tho that is what they are still teaching in Russa and Poland

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Since this is the only issue I would stick with her and try to educate her on intact care she may be very willing to learn and it is worth it to try if you really like her. Cant hurt and if she isnt willing to learn you can just tell her to not touch your sons penis ever that way no risk of her doing damage.

 

[titania8]

overall she sounds wonderful, but..training?

: bet you can't wait to see those penis tricks!

i would stick with her and just tell her not to touch his penis. congrats on your baby!

 

[Daisyuk]

http://www.medem.com/medlb/article_d...DD&sub_cat=108

"What Is Foreskin Retraction?

Sometime during the first several years of your son's life, his foreskin, which covers the head of the penis, will separate from the glans. Some foreskins separate soon after birth or even before birth, but this is rare. When it happens is different for every child. It may take a few weeks, months or years.

After the foreskin separates from the glans, it can be pulled back away from the glans toward the abdomen. This is called foreskin retraction.

Most boys will be able to retract their foreskins by the time they are 5 years old, yet others will not be able to until the teenage years. As a boy becomes more aware of his body, he will most likely discover how to retract his own foreskin. But foreskin retraction should never be forced. Until separation occurs, do not try to pull the foreskin back - especially an infant's. Forcing the foreskin to retract before it is ready may severely harm the penis and cause pain, bleeding and tears in the skin."

She needs to be educated, and FAST, before she harms any more little boys and causes "infections" which result in circs.

 

[Fi.]

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You see, doctors in non-circumcising countries don't even think about retracting a foreskin.

That's a load of crap - I had 3 doctors in England tell me my son's foreskin needed to be retracted. One tried, one said "within a year" and the other said "by age 5 or snip snip"

 

[francesca]

We can train our organs? Could you ask her how I would go about training my breasts to move back up? kthanks. Congrats on your baby. I think a "hands off the penis" is a good approach to all people besides himself until he's, you know, a LOT older.

 

[Daisyuk]

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Originally Posted by Fi. That's a load of crap - I had 3 doctors in England tell me my son's foreskin needed to be retracted. One tried, one said "within a year" and the other said "by age 5 or snip snip"

You've said this several times now, exactly where were you living? I bet it was in an area with a high number of Jews or Muslims - whose doctors are just as ignorant as Americans in how to treat foreskins for exactly the same reasons. I used to live in East London, and I was astonished to hear how one of the doctors (a Muslim) would treat phimosis, no conservative treatment, just straight to surgery.

I do not think that your experience is typical for the NHS, for one thing they don't want to spend the money on anything they can get out of (and surgery is expensive), and for another, the BMA discourages it.

 

[arlecchina]

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Originally Posted by Tinker Train it to do what? Juggle knives?

 

[Carma]

The only thing I can think of about what she means is that, when a boy is ready for sexual relations (~18 yo not 1 yo!) and the forskin is still attached or too narrow to retract that he can stretch the skin by gently trying to make it more loose every day. Believe that is the standard advice before trying a medical procedure in the European country I am from.

Carma