The Price Of Denying Choice

Thank you. I've said so before and I'll it again. I might never be able to make such a choice, but I'm unwilling to take away choice for all women, including the future choices of my daughters and neices.

I do think compulsory motherhood is a terrible idea.

Can we please all just "get it" that the abortion debate- for most people really comes down to wether or not the unborn human being is a "person" worthy of any rights?

I mean, really- all of the points made in that article could be used to justify infanticide too.

The fact is that if legal abortion really led to less abused, neglected, unwanted children, we would have seen less of that in the last 30 years in the US.

Legal abortion does not lead to "better parents", "better kids" or "better citizens". Does anyone here really think it does?

I disagree. I think it comes down to whether *women* have certain human rights and whether the rights of women as actual, living human beings are worth more or less than the rights of potential human beings.

I agree, girlndocs.

I am much more interested in the rights of the person who is living and breathing.

You make my point for me, you call the fetus a "potential human being" when of course, in fact, the fetus is a full human being, the only "potential" would be the "personhood" of that Human Being, the "Human being" part is indisputable. The "Living" part is indisputable as well, and as for them "breathing," there are many different ways to "breath"- we breath air, fish breath in water, and human being in utero breaths in amniotic fluid.

I don't believe that the commentary was solely addressing abortion. I believe that she was also refering to birth control which is being limited by the Christian ayatollah's in the US.

I had a long post typed out, but forget it. It's not worth it to keep going down this road - nothing you can write will ever convince me a fetus is a human being with rights. That fetus, if a woman chooses to carry it and give birth to it should have all the rights a human being should have after it's birthed and living outside a woman's body. Until then, no, it's not a human being for me.

Edited to add that the article posted wasn't about abortion but access to full reproductive freedom for women, which includes birth control, medical services and information, the belief and institutional support that women know best when to become mothers and the right to plan for that instead of have it expected or forced upon them and yes, access to abortion. Oh, I see I've been beat to that point. Sorry, Rhonwyn, for going OT.

I'm with you nicole lisa and girlindocs. The debate is so frustrating.

The debate is also not allowed at MDC, so if it doesn't cease immediately, this thread will be closed.

Warned ya...