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Hi there! I have heard about "The Secret" for a couple of months now and am finally starting to wonder more about it. Before I run out and buy my own copy, or beg for someone to loan me theirs, is this a christian read or something I need to stay away from?
 

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I haven't read The Secret, so I can't give a fully accurate assessment. I think any Christian reading it should tread wisely and evaluate what they're reading with the Bible and the Holy Spirit. I know that many of my mature and discerning friends have mixed feelings about it: on the one hand, it points to the power of prayer. On the other hand, it drifts dangerously close to Word of Faith/'Prosperity Theology' (i.e. Joel Osteen), otherwise known as "name and and claim it". If you have concerns I'd definitely talk to you pastor/priest, or another wise person in your life <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug">
 

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I'm not Christian, but I certainly wouldn't call "The Secret" Christian.
 

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There are many Christians who read it and embrace it. They find that it works very nicely with Christian faith.<br><br>
There are many Christians who read it (or don't read it) and reject it. They find that it works against their Christian faith.<br><br>
If it is something that interests you, pursue it a little and see how it feels. If you don't agree with it, you'll know for yourself. If you like it, perhaps you can see how to incorporate it in with your own beliefs.<br><br>
There are so many different types of Christians. The only way you'll know for sure is to look at it for yourself and make your own decisions.
 

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The book "The Secret of the Ages" by Robert Collier is a better book to read. It is one of original books about "the secret" but it has alot of scripture to point you in the right direction. I would recommend you read this book first.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">No, it's not Christian.</div>
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I think the principal Christian objections to the LoA philosophy would be (JMHO) :<br><br>
*materialism/greed/selfishness<br>
*"blame the victim" mentality/taking credit for acts of grace<br>
*magical thinking/putting faith in your willpower rather than the grace of God.<br><br>
Even if you read "the first will be last" and the metaphor about a camel through the eye of a needle in the loosest, most abstracted and symbolic way possible, I can't see how they would allow for something like "The Secret" to be OK. And since we're told "blessed are the poor in spirit" I doubt Jesus would agree with the premise that we bring suffering on ourselves through our subconcious desires.<br><br>
There's so much more that could be said, but I don't really want to debate this with anyone. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/duck.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Duck">:
 

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BelgianSheepDog;7994083I think the principal Christian objections to the LoA philosophy would be (JMHO) :<br><br> *materialism/greed/selfishness<br> *"blame the victim" mentality/taking credit for acts of grace<br> *magical thinking/putting faith in your willpower rather than the grace of God.<br> [/QUOTE said:
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I get tired of saying the same things in threads over and over.<br><br>
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The Secret is <b>NOT</b> about materialism/greed/selfishness<br>
The Secret <b>NEVER</b> assigns blame, talks about blame or encourages blame in anyway<br>
The Secret does <b>NOT</b> talk about magical thinking or any such concept
 

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Like I said, I don't want to debate this. I've read enough that I feel confident of my understanding of the topic, and I am firm in my opinions. If you disagree, that's fine, that's your business. But you don't need to educate me because I am done arguing about this.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Like I said, I don't want to debate this. I've read enough that I feel confident of my understanding of the topic, and I am firm in my opinions. If you disagree, that's fine, that's your business. But you don't need to educate me because I am done arguing about this.</div>
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I wasn't educating you. My post was not for your benefit, it was for the OP who asked the question.<br><br>
I was pointing out that what you've stated is not the message at all in 'The Secret' and is not an accurate reflection of the law of attraction in any way. It would be terribly misguided and uninformed for someone to make a decision based on information from one side alone.<br><br>
You have offered an opinion and I have offered an opinion.
 

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I have not seen the Secret, so I can't comment on that. However, I am finding my study of the Law of Attraction to be quite interesting.<br><br>
The more I study, the more I find it lining up with Biblical principals. As a Christian, I feel like I have an extra measure of understanding because I have the gift of His written word to guide me. (Although I'm sure that people of other faiths feel the same)<br><br>
Because I am a Christian, nothing I do is outside of that rhealm. I know that everything comes from Him. So I see it as a way of working with God instead of fighting against Him.<br><br>
Right now for example: we have a few different financial issues that are cause for concern. The first couple of ways I sought to remedy them did not pan out. Previously this would have sent me into a spiral of depression and negative thinking. Today I am choosing to focus my energy on the fact that God must have something better planned for me. I am concentrating on how this trial is bringing me closer to Him.<br><br>
Learning about the law of attraction has made me more conscious of my mental energy. I was surprised by just how negative my thoughts are. That certainly can't be pleasing to God.<br><br>
I've replaced my "oh woe is me" thoughts with<br><br>
"wow, what a wonderful God I serve who blesses me so abundantly even when I don't deserve it"<br><br>
Basically, I think anything and everything needs to be read and studied with caution and held up lamp of His word for guidance.
 

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To the OP:<br><br>
Why are you asking a bunch of strangers what they think of something that is deeply personal and deeply spiritual and something only you can really decide for yourself? I ask that lovingly, because ultimately, you have to be the one to decide whether you feel it fits in with your belief system.<br><br>
I am a Christian and to my knowledge and understanding of scripture, as well as my strong, unwavering faith in the Lord -- The Secret and the Law Of Attraction has been a HUGE asset, and HUGELY helpful to me in developing a closer relationship with my Lord and also a huge help in becoming more of the person I want to be... as well as more the kind of person I believe God has intended me to be.<br><br>
It is NOT materialistic in my opinion. It is NOT *blame the victim* in my experience -- it is about personal accountability for the person you are, the works you do in the world, the people and things you draw into your experience based on how you are living your life -- that is a BIG Christian principle ...<br><br>
It is NOT AT ALL about magical thinking or putting your faith in other things -- the only thing (if anything) it promotes is putting faith IN YOURSELF. Now, being a Christian, I put faith in God and in the Lord, but I am a CHILD OF GOD... I am part of His divine plan and divine creation... how is it serving God to think of myself as a complete loser who can't do anything and doesn't have a self esteem or doesn't believe I am worthy of the greatness of God? How does it serve God to believe I am not worthy of His Love and grace?<br><br>
That would be insulting to Jesus (imo) ...<br><br>
So yes, to ME and in my faith, it is not touted as *christian* per se, but it fits very nicely with my faith and does not conflict AT ALL...<br><br>
...so, watch it and judge for yourself. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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The Secret is for all faiths. There are teachers in The Secret who appear to have Jewish names. There is a teacher in the Secret who is a Christian minister (Beckwith). Buddha is quoted in The Secret.<br><br>
Jack Canfield, a teacher in the Secret, is a Christian who mentions his religion often in his books and his email newsletter. (In fact, while his books are extremely valuable to me, he sometimes writes in a way that assumes the reader is a Christian if they have a religion, which I personally find annoying.)<br><br>
Rev. Martin Luther King Jr, a Christian minister, is quoted in The Secret.<br><br>
If you read the book version of The Secret, which is much longer than the script of the movie, some of the basic ideas in the movie come from the Christian bible, such as Matthew 21:22 and Mark 11:24. Judaism is also mentioned in the book version.<br><br>
Has anyone noticed any other faiths discussed in the Secret? Islam? Hinduism? Other?
 

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I think this is something you have to look into in your individual faith. One denomination may be okay with The Secret, while another might not. If you are concerned, I agree with others who have said to talk to your pastor or whomever you trust as a spiritual guide.<br><br>
That having been said, I can definitely see that some branches of Christianity might not be welcoming of The Secret - but some may, and again, it really is all about you, your level adherence to your particular faith's dogma (whatever it may be), and your relationship with God.
 

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Well, I have seen "The Secret" and I'm a Christian and a lot of it does make sense. In terms of the fact that positive thinking/wishing does attract positivity - that's just nothing new to me.<br>
To me, it wasn't a big revelation whatsoever. LoA didn't seem as a new concept to me. I wonder if Joel Osteen is a fan of Secret, because to me that's just straight from his sermon, except he gives credit for all the successes to God, and the Secret doesn't.<br><br>
What personally bugged me about "The Secret" is it's materialism (at least in the movie). I'm sorry Secret followers, but I do not see how it can be denied that Secret is matealistic. The example of the boy who want this bicycle: obsessing over it, cut out the picture of it, looks at it, thinks of it. And that way the bicycle will show up at your doorway. I just felt like the examples that the movie was showing were materialistic: desiring new house, new car, money, success. That really did bug me.<br><br>
Otherwise, as I said: I think this book/movie can really help people who are pessimistic. The world might be a better place if there is more positivity involved.
 

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I can think of several other examples in the movie of people wanting non-material things like better relationships with coworkers and one's spouse, new partners where before there had been loneliness...parts about appreciating the beauty in nature....it's interesting how two people can watch the same movie and one only remembers the negatives.
 

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Depends - if you ascribe to the Health-Wealth-Prosperity teaching in some churches it might line up for you.<br><br>
However, to me it seems that Jesus's disciples didn't get rich, gave up many things to do what they loved, and probably still caught the flu.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">What personally bugged me about "The Secret" is it's materialism (at least in the movie). I'm sorry Secret followers, but I do not see how it can be denied that Secret is matealistic. The example of the boy who want this bicycle: obsessing over it, cut out the picture of it, looks at it, thinks of it. And that way the bicycle will show up at your doorway. I just felt like the examples that the movie was showing were materialistic: desiring new house, new car, money, success. That really did bug me.</div>
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MsChatsALot did a little experiment and sat down to watch this movie with a timer. All examples of material wealth combined - including visuals and specific examples - equaled 12 minutes of screen time. I don't think that's too over the top in a 90 minute movie.
 

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I have mixed feelings about "The Secret" and LOA. Some of its concepts seem very consistent with Christianity (and other religions). The emphasis on being grateful, having confidence that our needs will be met, seeing adversity as opportunity are all consistent with Christianity. I don't agree that all is in accordance with some "law," but I do believe doing these things will lead to greater inner peace. To me, this is more about psychology than spirituality.
 
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