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I recently started hanging out with another mama here. She is gradually weaning her almost 8 month old baby. SHe says generally she only nurses him once in the morning and once at night. During the day he gets juice, water and pureed fruits and vegetables. A couple of times a week he gets meat.<br><br>
Are the baby's nutritional needs being met with this type of diet? I thought that breastmilk or formula should make up the majority of a baby's diet at this age. It doesn't seem like he is getting enough protein or calcium this way. Am I off base on this? She seemed a little bit offended when I asked about this.
 

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You're absolutely right. Babies need breastmilk as the main staple of the diet. The baby will decide when he no longer needs that. She should be offering the breast FIRST before any other food or liquid until he's at least 12 months old.<br>
He doesn't have the digestive enzymes to get the maximum nutrition from solid foods. And there's no way that she can be a good enough nutritionist or the baby a good enough eater to fill in all of the gaps from solid foods. He's growing at a phenomenal pace and needs so much more than is possibly available in ANY combination of solid foods. That's why our bodies lactate for so long.<br>
Most babies don't eat much at all until well after 12 months. If he's eating more, it's because he's hungry and not getting enough nutrition.<br><br>
You don't have to repeat this if it's offensive, but I find her actions reprehensible and irresponsible. A woman who at least weans onto formula (rather than continuing to nurse when it is possible to do so) is only irresponsible, at least not reprehensible. At least formula is getting some bare minimums into the baby. But a baby of less than 12 months not getting formula (bleh!) or breastmilk is in danger of malnutrition. Seriously, I'm not overreacting using that word.<br><br>
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If she's only nursing the baby twice a day, he should be drinking 16-24oz of formula in addition to solids.
 

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This is dangerous. The baby is not getting his nutritional needs met.<br><br>
Infants need breastmilk, or alternatively formula, as their main source of calories and nutrients for the first 12 months at least.<br><br>
Water has no nutritional value, and juice has a lot of empty calories. His diet as described will be lacking in protein and fat as well as important vitamins/ minerals.
 

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Ok, that's what I thought. Her baby seems a little bit - out of it - the few times that I have seen him. Not necessarily lethargic, but not particularly active or alert either. Now how do I tell her tactfully that she is endangering her child? I don't know her that well. I guess I will just have to risk losing a new friend I suppose...
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I don't know her that well. I guess I will just have to risk losing a new friend I suppose...</div>
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If it means saving that baby's life, go for it. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up">
 

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At that age the baby should be getting nearly EVERYTHING from breastmilk- only eating one "meal" of solids and only a little then.<br><br>
good advice above.<br><br>
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If there are allergies in the family that is very sad that she is weaning. And the baby is NOT getting enough protein and maybe other nutrients.
 

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I'd ask her if she's gotten that diet approved by her pediatrician. Isn't nutrition after starting solids one of the things that all medical schools actually teach correctly?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">She says that there are allergies in the family so she doesn't want to give him dairy. I guess not soy either.</div>
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Evan takes Neocate when needed. It's completely dairy and soy free. I can even send her a can if she needs it! ITA though, if there are allergies, she needs to keep nursing!
 

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She says she likes nursing but she "wants her life back". She wants to drink coffee and have the occasional after-dinner drink. I keep telling her that it is ok to drink coffee and even have a drink now and then, especially if she is only nursing a couple of times a day. SHe also says that she wants to be able to eat onions and garlic again, and can't now because baby reacts to these things. Her logic is just so twisted and it is so hard for me to comprehend, especially as I sit nursing my almost 2yo and drinking a cup of coffee while she is saying these things to me.<br><br>
She doesn't disapprove of extended nursing, she just doesn't want to do it herself. I keep telling her how much easier everything is when you can just nurse your baby - getting through teething (which her babe is doing now and obviously is wanting to nurse more and she just doesn't want to and expects him "just to sleep".), or past illness, or whatever. She says "yes, I know it's easy and I do like it but I just want my life back" and then goes on to say how she respects other people's parenting ideas, tries nor to be judgmental etc, which implies to me that I am just supposed to accept what she is doing without trying to make her see another side of things.<br><br>
grrrr Maybe I will ask if she has discussed this with her babe's doctor.
 

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I don't mean to sound harsh, so please don't flame me, but someone should be calling DCFS/CPS/whatever your state calls it....A child died in Florida recently due to not following good diet (coconut water, almond milk and wheatgrass only for a 5 or 6 mo. old). It's called failure to thrive and is a verifiable form of neglect...Unless that child is getting 10 + oz. at his two feeds, he's not getting nearly enough. Heck, WIC provides free formula if money is an issue. ARGH! I have a life with a baby, and I'd nurse even if it meant giving up things I love....sometimes I wonder what people think parenting IS
 

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We live in Germany, but she is American.<br>
I get the impression she did the same with her older son - and he seems to be ok. I don't know. It's hard because really I have only seen her three times, in public places. So I really don't know how much/what he is really getting. THe second time I saw her I was very surprised to see her spoonfeeding water to the baby.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I'd ask her if she's gotten that diet approved by her pediatrician. Isn't nutrition after starting solids one of the things that all medical schools actually teach correctly?</div>
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Sadly, nutrition education is minimal in most medical schools in the US. A pediatrician is the last person I would look to, or recommend a mother look to, for diet information <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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Poor, poor baby <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
At this point, I'd just say it's alright if she wants to ween but she MUST give the baby bottles of formula. It doesn't seem like any more work to give a bottle of formula than spoonfeed water (!!!), and at least that way the baby will be getting some nutrition. Oh yeah, and then the mom can have her "life" back. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes">
 

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She's insane. I doubt there's anything you can say to her.<br><br>
She wants to NOT breastfeed. And she obviously isn't going to be open to thinking through the situation.<br><br>
If she wants her life back, she could mix formula in a bottle, hand it to him and walk away. It's hard to understand her reasoning though if she's spoonfeeding him water. That's a pain in the a$$. Why wouldn't you just stick him on the breast??<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">If she wants her life back, she could mix formula in a bottle, hand it to him and walk away. It's hard to understand her reasoning though if she's spoonfeeding him water. That's a pain in the a$$. Why wouldn't you just stick him on the breast??<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"></div>
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Because then he will expect to be put on the breast whenever he is hungry or needs comfort. ANd she doesn't want him to expect that. Yes, she said that. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:
 
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