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This Frustrates Me: What do you think?

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OK, my ds's dad hasn't seen him in months. He doesn't ask about him, and is currently taking me to court under the guise of wanting court-ordered visitation (although he has visitation now and doesn't use it) but the reality is that he wants his c/s reduced... the guy doesn't have a clue about loving someone more than himself. But this isn't really what's frustrating me (right now).

What frustrates me is the situation my friend is in.
He is divorced with a 7yr dd. He sees her several days a week (he can't stand going more than 2 days without seeing her) and calls her every night to say good night. He pays his xw a more-than-reasonable amount of c/s, plus alimony, PLUS he always gives xw HALF of his bonuses (which last month equaled to his giving her a $5,000 check) beyond c/s to make sure they are well taken care of. He goes over to xw's house and mows her lawn for her and fixes things that need fixing. He buys all of his daughter's clothes, and recently paid to have her portraits taken professionally. He is a great dad and loves his daughter more than life itself. He says this, but more importantly, he proves it with his actions.

I would give my left pinky toe to have an x like that, so dedicated to his child's welfare, development, and psychological well-being.

Guess what? His ex never says thank you for anything. She implies regularly that all my friend does for her is not enough. blah blah blah.

I mean, what do you mamas think? Wouldn't you love to have an x who pays what needs to be paid (and then some!!), spends regular and quality time with your dc, and genuinely cares about the dc and YOU since you are the dc's parent?

Ingratitude irks me as much as dead-beat-dad syndrome irks me. I would love for this woman to spend a day in my shoes, working two jobs, going to school, attempting at all costs to provide for my wonderful child with no help (or care) from the father, and to be the best attached mama I can be in these circumstances.
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Yup, that irks me to hear about people like your friends ex. But she wouldn't how good she has it, unless it was gone. And I wouldn't wish that on their dc so I guess she'll probably never appreciate it. Oh well, I'm not going to work myself up in a frenzy over it. Your friend sounds like a wonderful father, and person, and his kids are lucky to have him!
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Yeah, that irritates me, too. I've been thinking about this a lot lately, actually. I was going to do a post asking if other single moms felt the same way........

when you get to the point where you're actually making it work (sort of) - living on one income, working, going to school, raising healthy happy kids - do you ever find yourself, um, kind of snobby about it
?
: I try not to judge others, but sometimes I find myself getting so annoyed by other people's complaints. I find myself thinking "well, if I can do ALL OF THIS, then you can certainly manage to go grocery shopping
".
(please don't flame me -
TOTALLY not saying any of you guys are "snobby" )

As for your friend - he sounds like heaven. And Steph's right, his ex probably won't appreciate it unless she looses it
Not all men are lousy fathers, some of them just made lousy husbands for their wives. Maybe their chemistry was just wrong and she can't see past that to all the great things he does for their dd.
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I admit to being lucky in having a great dad for an X, it's just that he can't pay me any money. It's not that he won't, he can't. I would literally bow to him if he did all of that (your friends DC is lucky) I will take this as a wake up call to thank him more for what he does, and not critisize him as much for what he can't do.
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IF your friends situation is the whole truth, then yes it would be really annoying! I always say though that unless you are in the relationship, you don't and can't know what really goes on. He might not be the bundle of joy that he seems to be.

Ah. dreaming of tons of money. dreaming of an ex who loves the kids, rather than sees them as a way to exact revenge on me. ~sigh~
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Originally Posted by woobysma
when you get to the point where you're actually making it work (sort of) - living on one income, working, going to school, raising healthy happy kids - do you ever find yourself, um, kind of snobby about it
?
: I try not to judge others, but sometimes I find myself getting so annoyed by other people's complaints. I find myself thinking "well, if I can do ALL OF THIS, then you can certainly manage to go grocery shopping
".
(please don't flame me -
TOTALLY not saying any of you guys are "snobby" )
No, no, no. I've learned my lesson that if I DO get that cocky then life has a way of smacking me back into reality and something will happen to make life harder/different. I try to keep Karma from kicking me in the ass
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Originally Posted by woobysma
when you get to the point where you're actually making it work (sort of) - living on one income, working, going to school, raising healthy happy kids - do you ever find yourself, um, kind of snobby about it
?
: I try not to judge others, but sometimes I find myself getting so annoyed by other people's complaints. I find myself thinking "well, if I can do ALL OF THIS, then you can certainly manage to go grocery shopping
(please don't flame me -
TOTALLY not saying any of you guys are "snobby" )

As for your friend - he sounds like heaven. And Steph's right, his ex probably won't appreciate it unless she looses it Not all men are lousy fathers, some of them just made lousy husbands for their wives. Maybe their chemistry was just wrong and she can't see past that to all the great things he does for their dd.
I kind of get what you mean with this. Sometimes I hear people complaining, and I have very little patience. While I sympathize with people who struggle in one way or another, I simply don't want to hear one negative story after another after I work my butt off doing what I do AND keep a positive outlook on life.

And my friend is heaven. He made some mistakes in his marriage (which basically include not giving his ex enough of his time since he was working two jobs so she could stay home with their daughter), but he tried very hard to be a good husband, even after she cheated on him.

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IF your friends situation is the whole truth, then yes it would be really annoying! I always say though that unless you are in the relationship, you don't and can't know what really goes on. He might not be the bundle of joy that he seems to be
He and I are in a relationship, and I am witness to his situation. He really is a bundle of joy!

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I will take this as a wake up call to thank him more for what he does, and not critisize him as much for what he can't do.
Hugs, BelovedK!
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Yep. I try really hard not to pass judgements on others, but I do find myself thinking, "I was 37 weeks pregnant, caring for another child and working a FT job when he called FROM WORK to tell me he wasn't coming home anymore and *I* managed to hold it all together and we're all thriving, so why can't..."
Like a friend who's bf went away for 2 weeks for school and she was all "Oh, it's sooo hard... I am my kids' only call person til (bf) comes back! I have to take care of them *myself* for two weeks!!" Now, she works only PT, I work FT. She had to do this for 2 weeks, I've been the only EVERYTHING for my kids for three years and counting. When I'm sick, I *still* have to care for my kids - it doesn't matter what is going on with me, I still have to be everything for my kids. So, I have to admit, I felt a little grouchy towards her for making such a big dramatic deal about having to go it alone for two weeks.
In retrospect, she's never had to go it alone before - even when she and bf broke up, her parents were right there for her and basically took over and she only had one child at the time, so I'm sure it was very scary for her. But she really wasn't alone, either - she had her parents right there and friends... but I'm trying to be more understanding of her feelings.
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ED - i have learnt not to be affected by others situation. i have tried not to 'gloat' about how hard my situation is (not saying any of u guys are doing it). it is probably harder for you since u r in a relationship with ur friend and when u know he is genuine and sincere.

but everybody has their own reality. their own opinion. u know like childbirth. some can endure the pain some just cannot and need medication. it is just how one perceives things. is one bettre than the other. i am not trying to simplify your friend's situation... but one his ex probably doesnt know what's it like not to have what she has and plus she has her own ideas of where he is failing. i dont blame her for how she thinks. she just doesnt know.

the fact is no matter what the reason is one feels something. and i feel it is always right to respect their emotion.

now how does ur friend feel about this? does her behaviour irk him? or does he not really care?

honestly in ur shoes i wouldnt be irked. that part of his life is not your business iykwim (i do understand where u r coming from...). it would be if it makes ur friend upset. i would look at it and think what a good father and partner he would be. and responsible and understanding too.
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I try to keep Karma from kicking me in the ass

LOL - Karma and I have had a couple knock-down-drag-outs and we've come to an understanding. Trust me, I've learned all my lessons twice the hard way
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honestly in ur shoes i wouldnt be irked. that part of his life is not your business iykwim (i do understand where u r coming from...). it would be if it makes ur friend upset. i would look at it and think what a good father and partner he would be. and responsible and understanding too.
I really do try to stay partial and not get irked at friend's X - but he comes to me, sounding so sad, talking about how he refuses to be a deadbeat dad and how he wats to break the mold of crummy ex-husbands and absent fathers... It is the sadness in his voice when he asks me, "Why isn't it enough, Daffodil?" that contributes to my internal frustration with his X. That, and since I am in a relationship with this man, there is a very real possibility that I will be around his x-wife in the future if he and I ever get married.

Also, I too try not to gloat about how hard things are - my classmates didn't even know I was a single mom (working two jobs, going to night school, co-sleeping, breastfeeding, yadayada) until very recently. When I am asked how I make it with so much on my plate, I just smile and say I make it work.
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awwwwww ED that is sad. so sad. but then you have to be teh strong one and show him how not to focus on the negatives. like the saying goes u can never change another person so it is best to change yourself. the reason why i say this is because my mom never was there for my dad when he needed guidance and help. today she sees her mistake but its too late.

i so truly believe negative energy begets negative happenings. and sadness is always negative. at least maybe she is a good mother. focus on that. at least she is taking care of her child. or find something.

i know these things are easy to say but hard to do - but u gotta find someway to deal with this - both of you. do some positive thinking or positive visualisations. or whatever works for you.

and gloating - no ED i never meant it that way. i never want to say any of us here gloat about how hard it is. i have just seen some single moms really pack it in with their sob story so they can get preferential treatment.
I have to take what guys say with a grain of salt, sorry. My ex went around telling people all about what a great dad he is and how he "raised" my daughter until she was age 3 because I was out partying. The truth is, he hasn't paid child support EVER, in the 7 years of my daughter's life. I stayed home and breastfed my daughter. Partying? What? Anyway, there's so much more that happened, but the point is that he always tells girls lies about his situation. He probably couldn't get a date otherwise.

I am not saying that your friend is like my ex. Just saying, I distrust what guys say about their fathering and their exes.

ALSO! I really am annoyed with the disparity between men and women here. Has anyone ever thanked ME for all that I do for my daughter? I have gotten nothing but BS and criticism from my ex and his parents. But a dad does what he is supposed to be doing and he deserves a pat on the back? My ex would take my daughter to the park every blue moon, and get all these oohs and ahhs from moms and grandmas. Does anyone do that when I take her to the park? So, I have to say, I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone who is pretty much doing the thankless job of regular parenting.
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This is what my friend wrote about being a dad. I thought it was so sweet!


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"Dead Beat Dad."

This phrase is used to identify someone who habitually refuses to either visit with and/or financially support his child. With all of the press this sorry lot receives you'd think they were the rule rather than the exception.

I'm not a dead beat dad. I know other divorced men and they aren't dead beat dads either. Believe it or not men are capable of loving their children and missing them greatly. Divorced fathers are capable of crying themselves to sleep at night because they miss their children. Contrary to popular opinion, all men are not predisposed to becoming selfish morons after a divorce or seperation.

I've gotta be honest, there isn't an hour that passes during the day that I don't think of my daughter. Fortunately her mother and I are on the same page when it comes to parenting so I get to see her as much as I can, but it's not the same as living under the same roof 24/7.

Before the seperation I could come home late from work and peek in on her as she slept. I could even sneak in her room and kiss her goodnight. I don't have that option anymore. My schedule hasn't changed that much since I moved out and I still leave home for work most days before sunrise. Before I could gently wake her and say, "goodbye" and then back to sleep she would go. I don't have that option anymore either.

My fatherly influence has been reduced to frequent visits that sometimes last no more than a few minutes. When I come home in the afternoon no one meets me at the door ecstatic about the latest imaginative adventure or school project and no one crawls up in my lap at night to read "Stand Tall Molly Lou Mellon."

I never knew it was possible to hurt this much - this often.

Nope, I'm no Dead Beat Dad and I have no way to cognitively understand the reasoning behind those dads who don't take care of their children. These men should have their parental rights revoked and then be subjected to torture for causing women to parent alone and for causing children to live fatherless lives.

I've got to end this. There is a young Princess across town who's probably brushing her teeth and getting ready for bed right now. Her dad needs to call and say, "goodnight."
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I know how lucky *I* am, esp reading on here! I understand the urge to belittle anothers trials as so much less than a single on-her-own-financially mom. My ex husband is very good with the financial assistance- hes renting us a home to live in and will pay the bills. He comes to visit about once a week... hes very emotionally unstable and although he loves the kids he doesnt have a very meaningful relationship with them. I have thanked him many times for all of this! I know I have it so good- because I am so pooor and he now holds the cards he could force the visitation order to be changed, etc. I have sole custody, with only supervised visitation, because of his drug issues and his mental/emotional instability. He has told me he wont force the issue, he wants us to have a decent working relationship, and for me to trust him and choose to change these things. This was a few days ago. I finally told him it was due to his instability and he actually agreed he has some issues, and he ought to do *something* about it! we will see what comes of that....

exuberant daffodil - he sounds like such a treasure! my ex-h also misses his kids, and cries over it and thinks of us a lot, but he doesnt get involved positively in their day to day life. His ex wife shouldn't kiss the ground he walks on but I think it sounds like a little appreciation is overdue. But I dont know the whole story of course..
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I'm with Papayapetunia here.

Men who trash-talk their ex-wives/ex-girlfriend's/mother's of their children don't earn gold stars in my book.

I'd like to hear her side of the story. It sounds, in any case, as if he's done a real good job of turning you against her.

IMO.
Aw... I am very sorry that I came off like he trash talks his ex wife. He really doesn't. He speaks very highly of how she is a fantastic mother, and some of the solutions she has come up with for common childhood issues I've actually started to adopt on my own. I feel I have a lot to learn from both her and him, as well as their situation. They co-parent together very effectively and see eye-to-eye on how they want to raise their daughter together. I have a lot of respect for the both of them because they really take their daughter's well-being into profound consideration.

I guess my frustration stems from how he'll go above and beyond expectations with his ex wife to make sure she is well taken care of, and yet she gives him a very hard time when he does something for himself (he just bought a new truck, and that didn't go over very well with her), and has a very hard time admitting that he is an exemplar ex husband. I guess they just have a very hard time communicating with each other on every topic EXCEPT their daughter. Hence, why they are divorced.

Personally, I have a hard time accepting most stories from men, too, because my ex told all of his friends and co-workers that "the condom broke" when in reality we didn't use one. He told everyone that I cheated on him and he didn't know if the baby was his so he had to break up with me, when we both know full well I did not. To keep from looking bad with the people he knows, he tells them that I am a super witch who won't let him see his son, when in reality I tried very hard to keep the visitaions regular and considerate of ds. I can very easily slip into a man-bashing mentality, but I have to remind myself that although few and far between, there are GOOD men out there who don't only think of themselves, who love their children, who are respectful to women and mothers.

When we find those rare, good men, maybe we don't have to kiss the ground they walk on, but showing appreciation and respect for them is a positive way to live our lives - because I know I appreciate it when those in my life show at least occasional gratitude for the everyday things that I meticulously take care of. I feel glowy inside when someone notices the extra steps I take to make sure my child is taken care of, loved, secure, filled with healthy food, and educated. I don't need that every day, but it sure is nice when it happens.
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