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Our landlord is also our next door neighbor. They farm, and we rent the small house next door to theirs. Last year they rescued a young dog, which has turned out to be unpredictable. The first day they had it home they didn't leash it all the time. When she was off leash, she killed a hen. She did it again, as well, another time. She is off leash a lot, not in a fenced-in area. She is a fine friend for their other, barky and untrained but sweet and predictable dog. A male. My girls play with him all the time, and he is very trustworthy. Just barky.

Now, here is the problem. This younger dog is pretty much not trained at all - no voice control, no leash control, and she runs pretty much wherever she wants when they are not watching her. She has almost bitten me once when I was getting out of my car. She was on a leash but had free access to our parking area. She barked at me angrily, uncertainly, and I foolishly took a step toward her and she lunged. The other dog instantly wedged his body between us as I stepped back. No harm and I remembered a very important lesson!

She does bark a lot at us when we leave our house and approach our cars if she is leashed or sometimes in her pen.

Now yesterday, my 3yo went out on the front stoop to wait for her older sister to join her and play. The second dd2 went out and shut the screen door, I hear dogs running up the wooden stairs that lead down to our parking area from our front yard, and come up to our yard. I hear lots of barking and 3yo screams as only a very little, very scared person can: loudly and at the highest register. I run outside when I hear the dogs barking and the scream. Both dogs are out there barking but Sunny - the female - has her angry face on and her hackles up. I step onto the porch, order 3yo into the house, and firmly tell Sunny to back off and go home. She ignores me, hackles still up and barking with teeth showing. The male responds to me, though, and when he turns around and stops barking, she stops too.

At this point my landlord comes out of her house (probably after hearing the extreme barking) and sweetly calls "Sunny, come here. Suuuuunnnny..... Treats! Treats!" Which of course just reinforced all the bad things her dog just did...

My 3yo did nothing or said nothing except walk out the door. She didn't even see the dogs until they were running up the stairs. No one was hurt.

That night DP comes home, I tell him what happened, and he spoke to the other landlord - the husband. But he was not concerned, just said that she is like that and barks whenever the male barks. DP patiently and firmly explained that hackles up is aggressive behavior, not just barking. Landlord did not get it.

That was aggressive, right? I have cause to worry, right?

Why in the world would she and the other dog run up to our yard out of the blue and challenge my dd?
 

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Of course it is aggressive behavior. Just barking, I wouldn't worry too much. But barking, hackles, and the facial expression all denote a very very very aggressive dog. I know you guys are gearing up to move, but you need to sit down with your landlords and discuss this. They obviously are terrible dog owners from all you have told me (there are lots of other stories here!).

If they don't listen, you could always try animal control but I don't know if they will respond to you guys out in the country. Otherwise, you just can't let your kids out if she is. And that would be awful in the summer.

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I would be worried. I wouldn't let my children out unattended, and I would be on very close guard when they were out with me.

You are moving? Great!

If it's not soon--very soon--I would talk to the landlord first, and if that didn't work immediately, I'd take steps to document & file escrow paperwork. An aggressive dog is just as bad as the other things people put rent into escrow over (non-working utilities, etc.)
 

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Thanks, all. You are all right. This just sucks.

We are moving, but we don't know when because we are looking for a house to buy. Hopefully by the summer.

I do plan on talking to the landlord - the woman - and telling her that her dog is aggressive and unpredictable and that she must keep her controlled so my family can safely be in our yard. Ugh!

If it comes to it - which I hope it won't - we can start an escrow if it's legal in WI. I'm not sure if it is here.
 

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Even if the dog does not bite you or your family (which I certainly pray that it doesn't), it will bite someone. It's not just aggressive towards you; it's been allowed to be a bully, and it WILL bite. It's just a matter of when and where. So sad to see an animal untrained like that.
 

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This morning I waited outside after breakfast, doing some projects with the girls, in order to speak with my landlady.

I recounted the story of dd2 for her, reminded her that Sunny lunged at me before, and that we were very worried. I also told her that my children must be able to go out in our yard with no fear of her dog.

Well. She told me that she was not worried at all that Sunny would bite, that she even puts up her hackles and barks aggressively with the other dog! She acknowledged that Sunny does not respond to voice commands. I reminded her that Sunny wasn't playing, and that there was no way to predict whether the dog would bite, but that for sure she is aggressive. I told her she needed to control her dog so that my children were safe in our yard, that I would hate for something to happen that I would have to be angry about, or some tragedy.

She almost started crying, and said that her life was really more than she could handle right now, but that she would keep the dog leashed. However... she said both dogs ran off this morning and she doesn't know where they are so she can't do anything about it right now. !!! But will when they return.

I tell you, I think she is going to try and I think she understands what we want. Now I wait and see. At least we have had the conversation, and at least we are planning on moving some time in the near future.
 

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I would document each and every time you see that dog off a leash, and see if you can find a witness to sign it. Then, if the aggressive behavior ever happens again you should call animal control. I'm a huge animal lover, but when there are children around there are more important things to consider - such as how dangerous aggressive animals are! Theres no telling what could have happened to your child and its terrifying to think that the owner's might understand how serious it is.

Do they understand that they are strictly liable (in legal terms, even if the dog is fenced, even if they have taken all precautions, if the dog does something and they know that the dog is aggressive they have to pay damages) for any physical harm the animal causes to you or your children?
 

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I would document each and every time you see that dog off a leash, and see if you can find a witness to sign it. Then, if the aggressive behavior ever happens again you should call animal control. I'm a huge animal lover, but when there are children around there are more important things to consider - such as how dangerous aggressive animals are! Theres no telling what could have happened to your child and its terrifying to think that the owner's might understand how serious it is.

Do they understand that they are strictly liable (in legal terms, even if the dog is fenced, even if they have taken all precautions, if the dog does something and they know that the dog is aggressive they have to pay damages) for any physical harm the animal causes to you or your children?
I don't think she or her husband are at all considering the legal issues, truthfully. She is a great organic CSA farmer, but a terrible dog owner. I had to suggest a what-if scenario that she didn't consider - what if Sunny is out, same situation as before, and dd2 is not right next to the house, and then she screams and runs, triggering a predator/prey response and an attack. I think my landlady started to get it then.

Thanks for your thoughts.
 

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Actually most of the things you described sounds more like fear (hackles up with barking) but considering that a lot of aggression is fear-based aggression
I would maybe be concerned since no one tends to be correcting the dog.

A lot of dogs have fears without ever acting on them in an aggressive manner, but that is usually thanks to a lot of patience and reassurance from their owners.

It sounds like you are handling the situation with the owner very kindly and I hope everything works out.
 

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However... she said both dogs ran off this morning and she doesn't know where they are so she can't do anything about it right now. !!! But will when they return.
If it was ME and the dog did like you described - The reason she couldn't find her dog would be because it was already dead.

SSS works when nothing else does. It's a shame the dog ends up paying for his owner's negligence, but ya gotta protect yer own.

If you can't take care of it and the owners don't keep that dog leashed 100% of the time, call AC every single day and complain complain complain, YOU gotta do whatever you can to make sure your family doesn't get attacked.
 

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Actually most of the things you described sounds more like fear (hackles up with barking) but considering that a lot of aggression is fear-based aggression
I would maybe be concerned since no one tends to be correcting the dog.

A lot of dogs have fears without ever acting on them in an aggressive manner, but that is usually thanks to a lot of patience and reassurance from their owners.

It sounds like you are handling the situation with the owner very kindly and I hope everything works out.
Thank you. I feel badly that I had to have words with the landlady at all about this issue, but I don't feel at all guilty. I wish they would have been responsible from the very beginning. But.... they weren't and here we are.

My main concern is what you described -- that no one is correcting the dog. This is a bad situation for a dog that needs lots of guidance.

p.s. - that dog is leased all the time now. Never off-leash. Hooray!
 
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