[veiledexpressions]

This is what happened when people were asked why they chose to circ or not to circ.......

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I circumcised my son eventhough my obgyn tried to talk me out of it. (btw, I don't think it was his place to do that, he's not a pediatrician). My dh is circumcised and that was one of the many reasons we chose to do it. We didn't have any complications with the circumcision. The ring fell off in about a week. There were other factors that influenced my decision such as cleanliness, etc. We will be circumcising any future sons we have

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We decided to circumsize my son because of all the people I know in (gasp) real life they don't really think it's a big deal one way or the other, so we went with what we found most common, the social norm for us, and what my dh is and we are both happy with.

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Main reason being the studies that show that it helps to prevent cancer of the penis, HPV & cervical cancer of his partners & cuts down on the risk of sexually transmitted disease. For the health reasons that I mentioned, parents who are FOR circumcision could just as well think that those that are AGAINST it are just as crazy or wrong for their views.. by potentially putting their child at risk & the possibility of the child having to have it done at a later age, which would be much more traumatic.

That is only a sampling of a few. It seems some people are PROUD of this. I really am sick after reading that. I don't understand how people can proudly mutilate their sons based on incorrect data, or society.

 

[bell bottom blues]

It makes me nauseous as well. I think our job is to change the social norm, so that people who do circumcise will feel some social awkwardness. I doubt they have any idea how filthy their words are to those who understand the harm that circumcision causes.

 

[rainbowmoon]

the sad thing is most of (American) society believes these rediculous reasons

all at the cost of mutilating an infant that has no say at all in the matter

hopefully someday it will be ILLEGAL!

 

[MrsMoe]

The entire thing makes me very upset. I for the LIFE OF ME cannot understand how it's LEGAL!! It's totally SHOCKING that it's acceptable and considered normal to mutilate a baby's penis, but not a girl's clitoris. I tend not to post in the circ forum often because of how much curcumcision upsets me. And reading comments like the above... *sigh*

 

[trmpetplaya]

 

[Frankly Speaking]

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Originally Posted by veiledexpressions It seems some people are PROUD of this. I really am sick after reading that. I don't understand how people can proudly mutilate their sons based on incorrect data, or society.

People will believe what they want to believe. They will believe it in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary and will even go so far as to try to manipulate the evidence to show that there are benefits to circumcision when there are clearly none. If they have already circumcised one or more sons, it is a matter of self protection. They are protecting their own delicate egos. They can not imagine they have done something that has caused lifelong effects to their son and will not admit it under any circumstance. The false pride you see is actually their insecurities showing through.

Frank

 

[Zamber]

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I circumcised my son eventhough my obgyn tried to talk me out of it. (btw, I don't think it was his place to do that, he's not a pediatrician). My dh is circumcised and that was one of the many reasons we chose to do it. We didn't have any complications with the circumcision. The ring fell off in about a week. There were other factors that influenced my decision such as cleanliness, etc. We will be circumcising any future sons we have

uke uke uke uke

I wish more doctors, especially those that deal with pregnant women, should speak up like hers did. I feel it is "his place to do that" even though "he's not a pediatrician".

 

[wagodog]

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Originally Posted by veiledexpressions It seems some people are PROUD of this. I really am sick after reading that. I don't understand how people can proudly mutilate their sons based on incorrect data, or society.

On another board, I pointed out that exact thing - that some people absolutely seemed proud of their decision. It made me ill and when I took issue w/ how proud they seemed, all of a sudden it was like, "How can you tell that I'm proud of the decision?" "You don't know what's going on in my head!" "I did my research and this was the best decision for our family."

It's downright sad.

 

[sahli29]

For these parents mY comment would be: Ask your son(and his partners) in 20 years how THEY like your decision to cut off parts of his genitals. No one really thinks about how the that surgery(where they GUESS on how much to cut off) will affect the person later in life. Cut your own and leave the baby [email protected]

As for the *it is cleaner*...what a terrible thing to say that men are to stupid or lazy to wash their genitals.

 

[dynamohumm6]

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I circumcised my son eventhough my obgyn tried to talk me out of it. (btw, I don't think it was his place to do that, he's not a pediatrician). My dh is circumcised and that was one of the many reasons we chose to do it. We didn't have any complications with the circumcision. The ring fell off in about a week. There were other factors that influenced my decision such as cleanliness, etc. We will be circumcising any future sons we have

Yet isn't it the OB that usually does the circ??

I have an acquaintence that is due next month, and circing because an uncirced penis is "yucky". uke Nothing will change her mind, and I've stopped speaking with her.

Honestly, getting my new little boy home, and changing his diapers, and actually seeing his penis, knowing what is done during circumcision...*shudder*
I have even less tolerance for the "procedure" now than I did before. I makes me want to cry; I just don't get how anyone could POSSIBLY justify it.

 

[veiledexpressions]

It just got worse

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Some of us don't need to do any research, watch anyone's video, or provide any justification to anyone else why we choose to circumsize our sons, just as others don't have to justify their reasons for not doing so. We're having it done. End of story. __________________

They say ignorance is bliss. Yes, for the simple minded parent, but not for the poor baby.

 

[Daisyuk]

There are always going to be people who cling on to what they know, even when the rest of the world has long moved on. Look how many people are still reliving the fifties and sixties, and doing things that they were taught by their parents rather than learn anything new or better ways of doing things. (I'm thinking of my mother's addiction to handwashing, a boiler and a mangle here - she utterly refused to have a washing machine until she was too old to be able to do the laundry any more. There were many similar examples with other things too).

Still, it looks as though they are going to be very much in the minority soon (already are in the western states), so those poor babies are going to grow up knowing EXACTLY what they're missing, because they will have lots of intact friends. Wonder what they will tell their sons then when they get asked "Why?" - bet they'll be the ones that stand on their high horses and say that it was their decision, it was for the best and that the son will be glad of it "later on", rather than "we thought it was best at the time, but now we know better, I'm sorry". Guess which one is likely to be forgiven?

 

[ared1]

I try so hard to explain to people in a very friendly way, why circumcision isn't medically necessary. (I mostly hold back on my personal beleifs) It is getting so hard to keep a flurry of curse words from leaving my mouth when I hear "DH has the penis so I will let him decide"

: It really fing ticks me off. I usually try to reply with "So, since DH has a penis and so does your son, will DH make all the medical decisions regarding your son?" I JUST DON"T UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC!

 

[dnr3301]

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Originally Posted by ared1 I try so hard to explain to people in a very friendly way, why circumcision isn't medically necessary. (I mostly hold back on my personal beleifs) It is getting so hard to keep a flurry of curse words from leaving my mouth when I hear "DH has the penis so I will let him decide" : It really fing ticks me off. I usually try to reply with "So, since DH has a penis and so does your son, will DH make all the medical decisions regarding your son?" I JUST DON"T UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC!

I don't remember exactly who it was, but a while ago a regular on this board posted a great comeback for this one (was it Frank? maybe Phoebe?): "Yes, but YOU (meaning mom) are the one with the intact genitalia." I seriously

when I read it. I've actually used that response. I got a blank stare.

 

[LoveChild421]

uke

 

[apmammaof2]

I am just wordless.

 

[Frankly Speaking]

I just love that "Deer-caught-in-the-headlights" look. It says "You caught me on that one. You know you did. I know you did. I have no comeback."

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Frank

 

[Saara687]

Hmmmmmmm.... I totally recognize those quotes since I added my own response to that thread just days ago.

Sad, aren't they?

 

[LadyMarmalade]

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[veiledexpressions]

Saara, yes they are. I got one of the quotes from a debate on a due in board as well. I was just shaking my head...... I found another site that's worse.

A mom said that we can't call her uneducated or shallow, she just thinks that an intact penis has an ugly piece of skin that should be removed. There was even a post by a man who had it done later in life an regrets her. He told her what it was like to have a foreskin, yet she persists that it's just skin........head.in.the.sand.