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My nearly 15 yr old loves to write, and writes a lot. However, she has no experience doing a research paper. I've never asked her to do that, and she has never asked to do one.<br><br>
For those with children in college, or maybe who went to high school...was this something they learned pretty quickly how to do?<br><br>
If your unschooler did write a research paper before college, is there anything you can share about that?
 

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My unschooler hadn't written a formal research paper before college. She loved to write like your daughter too - and she learned the format of writing a research paper IN college. She said it was pretty easy to learn. I'm thinking back - I think she was 15 when she took that class.<br><br>
I wondered if she'd want to try it before college. I have lots of writing hand books around the house from when I was in college, but she didn't seem interested. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
I bet your daughter will do just fine...particularly since she loves writing. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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She will learn to do it in Freshman Comp, but she should probably ensure that she takes that course her very first semester, and takes the campus-wide course, not an honors or advanced equivalent. Otherwise, she may be faced with work from her other classes that she is unable to do.
 

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Both of my unschoolers love to write as well. My Ds especially enjoys it. He told me the other day that the first college class he takes will likely be a writing class. We recently learned a little bit about persuasive essays, and he picked up on most of that pretty quickly. He's almost 16.
 

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Nice. I trust her growth. When she needs something, she'll do it. She absolutely (at this point) wants to 'go to college' and is taking a continuing ed course (no research papers involved) in art this semester, so I know she will do what she needs/desires.<br><br>
I am a person who appreciates layers...meaning builidng on knowledge (don't shoot me lol). Yet, in fact, all her reading (several books a week, which to me as a teen would have been bliss; not to mention a far, far better use of my time) and creative writing is layering. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> She's not afraid, and she is eager and does what she does in joy. I'm grateful.
 

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I'm not an unschooler BUT I do teach Freshman Comp at a university. If she is a good writer, I would guess that the skills she needs to format a formal paper will be picked up quickly in college. I go over format, structure, research and style within the first two weeks. I've had good writers who just needed direction on how to structure a paper for the college format and they had no problems adjusting. Good luck.
 

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Thanks, Laura. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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Has she thought about taking her freshman comp right now? She could! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/loveeyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Loveeyes">:
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Has she thought about taking her freshman comp right now? She could! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/loveeyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Loveeyes">:</div>
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She isn't interested in doing that at all. Some of our hsing friends are taking community college classes in the fall, but she is passing right now.<br><br>
She has always done things in her own way, in her own time. I need to be patient. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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I don't have an unschooler, but I am a humanities professor at a university. I have had a number of unschooled and homeschool students, and I have not had a problem with any of them on research papers. Formal seated exams have been a bigger problem, but most have caught up pretty fast. And don't kid yourselves in thinking that the students with formal schooling (in public or private) know how to write a research paper! I find that most need to begin with the basics. So much focus on standardized tests in public schools these days!
 

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Profmom;8059645<br> pretty fast. And don't kid yourselves in thinking that the students with formal schooling (in public or private) know how to write a research paper! public ![/QUOTE said:
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I am under no such illusion. I am not comparing my child to any other child, in fact. Not to mention, this particular child of mine has never set foot in a public school.<br><br>
However, my child who did attend public high school, scored nearly 800 on every one of his SAT testss, a 12 on the written portion (which is as high as one can score) and 5s on all of his AP tests. So he tests well and writes well. That's just him.<br><br>
I wasn't asking if public schooled kids can write. Some can, some can't.<br><br>
I know I sound snippy, but don't take it personally. It's just a topic I am sick of.
 

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Well gosh, sorry. My mistake for trying to be supportive of home/unschooling. I will stay away from this forum. And yes, it was really snippy.
 

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I hope you won't really stay away Profmom, since I, for one, found your response to be helpful. When you start a thread ("you" is general you because I've seen this time and again) you are going to get different responses, opinions, advice, POVs. If you don't find something to be particularly helpful or relevant, why not just leave it be? Maybe it will be useful to someone else who is reading. There's no need to make someone wish they hadn't wasted their time trying to be helpful.<br><br>
ETA: I'm not trying to be the Voice of Wisdom or anything--I just had this happen to me recently on another mdc forum and it ticked me off, so I'm a bit sensitive to this right now.
 

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I agree. I was surprised by the response because I thought ProfMom's thoughts were insightful and accurate. Some homeschoolers may assume that since a kid was in public school they at least know the basics for a formal paper. This is so untrue. When I have a class of FTIC freshmen, I assume that 95% have no clue about structuring a paper or using research to validate your ideas. It is a surprising but sad fact that an unschooler who has never written a paper may actually know more about writing than her public schooled counterpart. *Hugs* It is always best to live by the philosophy that, if you can't say something nice (or at least helpful)....
 

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Golly gee. I said not to take it personally. Rainbows all around. And yes, that's exactly what I said "Take your ball home and never post again". <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngtongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue"> .<br><br>
Once again, I simply don't understand why every homeschool conversation/question has to turn to how stupid public schooled kids turn out. It's irrelevant to the conversation to compare them.<br><br>
I think we should be able to talk about our hs'd kids needs without putting down the children who want.must attend public school. It gets old.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I hope you won't really stay away Profmom, since I, for one, found your response to be helpful. When you start a thread ("you" is general you because I've seen this time and again) you are going to get different responses, opinions, advice, POVs. If you don't find something to be particularly helpful or relevant, why not just leave it be? Maybe it will be useful to someone else who is reading. There's no need to make someone wish they hadn't wasted their time trying to be helpful.<br><br>
ETA: I'm not trying to be the Voice of Wisdom or anything--I just had this happen to me recently on another mdc forum and it ticked me off, so I'm a bit sensitive to this right now.</div>
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We are all grownups. Post your thoughts if you want, or not.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Well gosh, sorry. My mistake for trying to be supportive of home/unschooling. I will stay away from this forum. And yes, it was really snippy.</div>
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Exactly. I said it was snippy. lol
 

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UUMom - you asked about unschoolers writing research papers at Uni. I teach unschoolers to write research papers at Uni. I did not reply with comments about how students from public schools 'can't write'. I merely pointed out that your unschooler probably won't be in a very different position than non-unschoolers. Clearly I hit a nerve of some kind.<br><br>
I am sorry that you feel that is appropriate to be repeatedly rude. You seem even to find it funny. I am finding this to be more and more the case at MDC. Sad.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">UUMom - you asked about unschoolers writing research papers at Uni. I teach unschoolers to write research papers at Uni. I did not reply with comments about how students from public schools 'can't write'. I merely pointed out that your unschooler probably won't be in a very different position than non-unschoolers. Clearly I hit a nerve of some kind.<br><br>
I am sorry that you feel that is appropriate to be repeatedly rude. You seem even to find it funny. I am finding this to be more and more the case at MDC. Sad.</div>
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You are taking this very personally, and I said from the get- go my comments were not to be taken personally. You are thinking you can read my mind, and I don't think trying to read minds here is a good idea. Take what you need from MDC-- there is good and bad. It's not going to meet all needs, nor shoud it try. I've found it helps to process info on the boards when one doesn't see others' passonate thoughts as insults.<br><br>
And please understand I am quite aware that many public school children struggle with the basics in college.<br><br><br>
The thing is : I *would* like have conversations about homeschoolers that do not end with "Well, they are no worse off than pubiic schoolers". It's apples and oranges. I want something better than what most schools, public or not, can offer. That so many public school kids get into college but are ill equiped to face certain educational challenges is sad.<br><br>
You can have the last word here, and then I would like to go back to the conversation, if it's not dead.
 
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