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My son and I both have thrush, so I haven't been nursing him the last few days, (please don't give me any crap about it I'm really upset about it and very sensitive!) I have also noticed that my boobs are not engorged at all and i'm afraid my milk supply is getting low. What is your experience w/ Mother's Milk Tea? How long does it take to help with your supply. Also how much did you drink. I need some advice ASAP!!! also what have you used to heal your nips quickly?
 

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Hi,<br><br>
I've had thrush in the past. My son and I were treated at the same time. The doctor gave him some kind of oral medication, and I was told to rub over the counter yeast medication onto my nipples several times a day.<br><br>
I've tried different things in the past for low breastmilk supply. I tried the mother's milk tea, but didn't really see any results. I used fenugreek capsules and had about the same results. I used Breastea and saw good results.<br><br>
I'm thinking it might be because with the Breastea you get alot more. With the mothers milk tea you can only make a cup at a time. I drank about a quart a day of the Breastea and I saw results overnight. One tea bag makes one gallon of tea so it's a good deal. <a href="http://www.breastea.com" target="_blank">http://www.breastea.com</a><br><br>
I hope this helps you out. Hang in there!
 

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I'm sorry you guys have thrush!<br><br>
have you been pumping instead of nursing? If so, I would just say to pump as often as possible, like every 2 hours during the day, and once during the night if you can.<br><br>
Maybe you could call your doc, and get the prescription nystantin cream for your nipples. When dd and I had thrush, She had the drops for her mouth and I used the cream for my niples and my nipples healed pretty quickly.<br><br>
Try to get your little one back to your breast asap. If you nurse frequntly your supply should be back in no time. Just remember to drink lots of water. You could also try switch nursing if you little one gets impatient with the milk flow.
 

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So it's getting worse! I tried nursing today and it hurt sooooo bad I was in tears! I can't even pump anymore. Please I need some advice b/c I am not ready to wean!!! my nips are so cracked though.
 

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go to the health food store today and buy some fenugreek capsules. Take 3 or 4 of them 3 times a day. You should see some results by tomorrow. It takes 24-48 hours for it to REALLY kick it. pump like crazy. and let the baby nurse as long as you can stand it. Try some lanolin on your nipples to keep them moist. Also, you can get gentain violet at an pharmacy ( you may have to ask the phamacist for it... at mine they keep it behind the counter)and use it to cure the thrush. You just rub it on your boobs and you can also use it in the babies mouth google "genetian violet infant thrush" for some help with that or ask the phamacist.....It should clear it right up. If the baby take a pacifier you need to boil them as well as any bottle nipples.
 

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I have done all of the above except for the fenugreek capsules, but i am drinking mother's milk tea. I also starting taking acidophilus? today. It is absolutely excruciating to nurse and pump! how long do i have to nurse/pump to be long enough stimulation? what can i do to get my nips healed quickly?
 

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I've been struggling with thrush, too. It's EXTREMELY painful, I know. I cried, too.<br><br>
Thrush is very hard to get rid of, you have to be very aggressive in treating it.<br><br>
These websites have good treatment advice:<br><a href="http://www.breastfeeding-basics.com/html/candida.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.breastfeeding-basics.com/html/candida.shtml</a><br><a href="http://www.breastfeedingonline.com/yeast.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.breastfeedingonline.com/yeast.shtml</a><br><a href="http://www.kellymom.com/newman/20fluconazole.html" target="_blank">http://www.kellymom.com/newman/20fluconazole.html</a><br><a href="http://www.drjaygordon.com/development/bf/thrush.asp" target="_blank">http://www.drjaygordon.com/development/bf/thrush.asp</a><br><br>
I also got a lot of ideas from the Battling Thrush Support Thread:<br><a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=570359" target="_blank">http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=570359</a><br><br>
Good luck
 

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Feels like everything....<br><br>
I've been battling this for about 2 months now, mostly because I didn't get the right treatment from the start. My dd's ped prescribed nystatin, which did NOTHING! And I didn't realize right away that I needed to be treated at the same time...It was hard to coordinate treatment with my mw and dd's ped....I had to be pretty assertive with both.<br><br>
It's very slowly gotten better for me, after I took 100mg of diflucan per day for 30 days, dd on diflucan for 14, gentian violet and all purpose nipple ointment, pro-biotics for me and dd, vinegar rinses on my nipples, and grapefruit seed extract tablets orally and the liquid dissolved in water on my nips. I took lots of advil for the pain and had to distract myself while nursing--movies, tv, etc. I also cut dairy and sugar out of my diet.<br><br>
If I could do it over, I would start with the gentian violet since you don't need a script and it did seem to help with the pain pretty quickly. For some people, the gentain violet cures it quickly and that's all you need to do. The grapefruit seed extract liquid in water on my nips after each feeding helped, too. But if you don't see improvement within a couple of days, definitely do the other stuff, too. I waited to do the gentian violet and really wish I hadn't. It is messy--dd got it all over her face 'cause she wiggled so much--here's a pic (don't worry, it goes away):<br><a href="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/146/381856425_bbfed41e43_b.jpg" target="_blank">http://farm1.static.flickr.com/146/3...fed41e43_b.jpg</a><br><br>
I just found out yesterday that the dosage for diflucan to treat thrush when it's in the breasts is TWICE what I was prescribed. One of the sites I posted recommends a 400mg loading dose, followed by 200mg/day for 14 days. Even though I've been 90% pain free for a few weeks, I'm starting that tomorrow because I want it GONE once and for all.<br><br>
Sorry if that was all confusing....Let me know if you have specific questions. Something that helped me was reading that it often take 3-5 days of treatment before feeling improvement. I think if I didn't know that I might have given up...but I'm so glad I didn't, even though at times I wasn't sure that I could keep bfing....it was painful physically and took a HUGE emotional toll on me. Get support and rest.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hug2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Hug2"><br>
Good luck!
 

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NAK. my month old DS and I also have thrush. I has been severe, and we are getting better. Today, I am picking up "all purpose nipple ointment" from a compounding pharmacy -- I had to get a prescription. It is a Jack Newman formulation, and it is supposed to work when nothing else does. Go to this link to read about APNO and Dr. Newman's candida protocol -- it is extremely informative: <a href="http://www.thebirthden.com/Newman.html" target="_blank">http://www.thebirthden.com/Newman.html</a>. I am also using Nystatin on my nipples and DS's bottom. Plus, Nystatin in his cheeks (which isn't seeming to help). Also, I got a baby powdered probiotic at whole foods. I wet my finger under the faucet and dip it in the powder, and then DS sucks it off my finger. Also, I bought that "activia" yogurt for me -- it can't hurt.<br><br>
Since doing all this, one of my nipples is pain-free (overnight), and the other is tolerable. I totally understand what you mean about the pain! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hug2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Hug2"> it is absolutely EXCRUTIATING! (and most of us are natural childbirthers, right?!) <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
I haven't tried the gentian violet, although Dr. Newman recommends it. My doctor was really pushing the Nystatin, which most experts (including LLL) agree is *not* as effective. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes">. But, I thought, since I am doing so much else, maybe it will be good enough (and it worked for me with my other son, but we didn't have it very bad then).<br><br>
I am going to ask at the compounding pharmacy what they think of the gentian violet, and maybe I will go ahead and get some.<br><br>
And I can't emphasize the importance of REST! and not subjecting yourself to STRESS. I am so stressed and tired (b/c of my OTHER DS, actually! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">) and I know that is why we are suffering with this for so long.<br><br>
Take care, and try to breathe through the pain. Believe me, I know how much it hurts. I am just thankful that my baby isn't feeling the pain.<br><br>
BTW, I am a little concerned about supply, too. I actually came to this forum to ask about it. Right now, I am just drinking tons of water and eating large portions of nutritious foods. I am going to call my homeopath this morning, and see whether she has some ideas.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/grouphug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="grouphug"> Let's hope we all feel better soon.
 

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I just don't know what else to do. It hurts to nurse b/c my skin is split open all the way around nipples! I feel like I can't pump or nurse b/c I am literally bleeding when I do. I am just so frustrated and ready to give up! I need something else, some other advice.
 

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a short term fix that helped me immensely with the pain was to fill a shot glass with olive oil and add a few drops of tea tree oil and coat my nipples with it often during the day....after every nursing at least......it's not a treatment but it does help
 

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so i went to the Dr. today and found out that my thrush is gone, but because my skin split open I caught a bacterial infection in my nipples. So he gave me some cream that he said *should* help. I think i will try the olive oil as well, thanks ottermonkey!
 

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Go to the health food store and buy a probiotic capsule. Nature's Way has good ones, I usually get the one with the most variety of strains I can find (lactobacillus, thermophilus, bifidus, etc.)<br><br>
You can take these several times a day, and you can put a bit on your nipples too, and give some to the baby. To give it to the baby, open a capsule, dump the powder into a little dish/plate, wet your (clean) finger, roll it around in the powder so it gets moist and sticks to your finger, then let the baby suck it off. This will help rebalance your bacteria in your body.<br><br>
Thrush definitely sucks, I had it for the first three months of my daughter's life, and it was really, really painful. Yep, I'd take childbirth any day over thrush in the ducts!!<br><br>
You can take fenugreek or drink lactation promoting teas till you turn blue, it's not going to help you unless you are nursing and/or pumping enough to maintain supply. Not trying to beat up on you, that's just the reality--if you don't nurse for days, your supply is going to respond and go down and eventually dry up if you don't start nursing or pumping again. I second the recommendation for ibuprofen--I would take the maximum dosage that you can. Keep in mind that they sell ibuprofen by prescription in higher dosages than are recommended on the packaging over the counter--I would consult the doctor or a pharmacist about what is the maximum dosage you could take, and take that. There were times that I was taking 800 mg of ibuprofen (four 200 mg tablets) every four-six hours around the clock, just to make nursing even just barely tolerable. Then again, I weigh almost 200 lbs, so this might be too much for you.<br><br>
I would also strongly consider asking your doctor if he can prescribe a stronger prescription pain med for you for a few days, if that is what is necessary to get over the hump and get the baby back on the breast or at least start pumping, while you heal. There are prescription pain meds that are compatible with breast feeding (what they'd give you after a c-sec, tylenol with codeine, etc.) I would find a good LC if necessary too, and get support from her.
 

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I agree with Kavita--good advice.<br><br>
the probiotics are especially necessary if the cream you were prescribed is an antibiotic. Antibiotics can make thrush worse.<br><br>
I hope it gets better for you. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug">
 
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