[Amputee]

We have been taking our 26 month old son to his (second) pediatrician (the first was an incapable boob). I do not know if he is pro-foreskin or not (I think not). I have been happy with him, and really have no complaints...until now.

At his last well child visit (25 months old), he looked at his intact penis and pulled the foreskin back tight (he did not retract it) and declared that it is 'too tight', and gave us a referral to a urologist to have a look at it. Our pediatrician told us that he "may have to be circumcised to prevent UTI's or kidney infections"

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I have educated myself on this topic quite well and know all of this is B.S.; the only reason my son is intact is because I educated myself. Our son has had NO problems or complications whatsoever with his intact penis. It just gets washed during his bath, like the rest of his body. He balloons when peeing (normal) and has recently been getting erections, which seem to cause some discomfort, I think just because it is usually restricted in his diaper. Erection + no diaper = happy (who wouldn't be?)

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Should I consider a new pediatrician? Should I even take him to the urologist? We have no appointment set yet; I don't even know who the urologist is. Seems like these two might be in cahoots, though. Any thoughts/ideas/advice?

 

[1littlebit]

yup add him to the ua list. um your wife isn't gung ho about not amputating part of your childs penis? its one thing when people can't get over this with newborns...,but the boy is over two years old... how would she like it if someone amputated part of her genitalia simply because it is still securely attached.

DO NOT GO TO THE UROLOGIST.

o and um what the doctor says isn't best. tell her to read the AAP website on when boys should retract. i might consider having a little chat with her about blindly believing authority figures

 

[latinalonestar]

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Originally Posted by Amputee We have been taking our 26 month old son to his (second) pediatrician (the first was an incapable boob). I do not know if he is pro-foreskin or not (I think not). I have been happy with him, and really have no complaints...until now. At his last well child visit (25 months old), he looked at his intact penis and pulled the foreskin back tight (he did not retract it) and declared that it is 'too tight', and gave us a referral to a urologist to have a look at it. Our pediatrician told us that he "may have to be circumcised to prevent UTI's or kidney infections" : I have educated myself on this topic quite well and know all of this is B.S.; the only reason my son is intact is because I educated myself. Our son has had NO problems or complications whatsoever with his intact penis. It just gets washed during his bath, like the rest of his body. He balloons when peeing (normal) and has recently been getting erections, which seem to cause some discomfort, I think just because it is usually restricted in his diaper. Erection + no diaper = happy (who wouldn't be?) : Should I consider a new pediatrician? Should I even take him to the urologist? We have no appointment set yet; I don't even know who the urologist is. Seems like these two might be in cahoots, though. Any thoughts/ideas/advice? Oh, and my wife isn't exactly all gung-ho on keeping the intact-ness. She could probably care less either way. She will probably be strongly swayed by what the urologist says (she has been by our ped.)...just because I read it on the internet doesn't mean it's better than what the doctor says is best. So it's up to me.

You either need a new pedi or you need to tell the pedi to NEVER manipulate your son's foreskin again. What he did was WRONG, WRONG, WRONG and can still cause considerable damage. A pedi has no business trying to see the opening or pulling it back even in the slightest. If your son is urinating then he is fine. The foreskin is narrow and tight for a reason, to keep stuff out and ballooning does NOT cause UTI or kidney reflux. Ballooning is normal. If you check out my thread "need a little help" you will see just how much damage can be done by doing just what he did to your son.

Remember med school does not teach about the normal development of foreskin. Most doctors are not qualified to treat or diagnose intact boys. The only reason a boy would ever need a circ would be in the case of frostbite, malignancy, gangrene, or a serious trauma. Ignorant docs tend to "see" problems with intact boys where the don't exist, which inevitably ends up in an unnecessary circ.

Good for you for doing the research and protecting your little boy!

Read here:
http://www.mothering.com/articles/ne...uncircson.html

http://www.nocirc.org/publish/pamphlet7.html

http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcisi...kinleaflet.pdf

http://www.nocirc.org/publish/

And no, don't go to a urologist unless your son can't pee. My guess is that you would have known a long time ago if he could not pee.

 

[Amputee]

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Originally Posted by 1littlebit yup add him to the ua list.

What's the ua list?

 

[1littlebit]

lol i forgot a letter.. UAV... as in a slew of nasty words i generally associate with pediatricians who get their kicks amputating parts of small boy's genitalia but cannot say because they are against the User agreement.. and are therefore a user agreement violation.

 

[1littlebit]

seriously. doctors like this tick me off. men all over the world are intact with no problems what so ever.. and yet here we amputate body parts because they are still attached... go figure

 

[robertandenith]

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Originally Posted by Amputee Should I consider a new pediatrician? Should I even take him to the urologist?

1. YES! 2. Don't even mind.

NO one should touched, pull back, retract or manipulate your son's penis in any way, only your son is aloud to do that. Please seek a Foreskin Friendly Pediatrician asap.

Good Luck and You are such a great father for looking up for your son in such way...

 

[Microsoap]

I'd print off some information to tell him politely how extremely incorrect (I'd use the word "extreme"!) his information is and how you'd hate to see boys being unnecessarily circumcised since this is PERFECTLY NATURAL!!! Other boys' foreskin are at stake here.

In a more forecful manner, tell you DO NOT want him to manipulate his penis at checkups since it's not necessary and *if* he has any problems w/ his penis in the future, your son will manipulate his *own* penis to show him where the problem is.

 

[Fellow Traveler]

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Originally Posted by Amputee We have been taking our 26 month old son to his (second) pediatrician (the first was an incapable boob). Should I consider a new pediatrician? Should I even take him to the urologist? We have no appointment set yet; I don't even know who the urologist is. Seems like these two might be in cahoots, though. Any thoughts/ideas/advice? Oh, and my wife isn't exactly all gung-ho on keeping the intact-ness. She could probably care less either way. She will probably be strongly swayed by what the urologist says (she has been by our ped.)...just because I read it on the internet doesn't mean it's better than what the doctor says is best. So it's up to me.

Some reading for you:
http://www.cirp.org/pages/parents/

http://www.cirp.org/library/normal/ < -- Important for you.

From what you've described there is no reason to see the urologist. So you're the husband, if you don't mind are you circumcised?

 

[Amputee]

Thanks for the links...

The good news is that after watching the 5 minute circumcision video on Google video (link from Intactivism page) and looking at pictures and watching the D.O.C. prepuce video, my wife is now convinced that circumcision is completely wrong.

: She even asked "Are we even going to take him to the urologist?" NO was the answer, and we'll be finding a new pediatrician (after I attempt to provide some education to our current one)

I think it was the Google video circumcision that put the final nail in the "circumcision is wrong!! SO WRONG!!!" coffin. Thank God it's available, for those hard to convince.

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Originally Posted by jwhispers From what you've described there is no reason to see the urologist. So you're the husband, if you don't mind are you circumcised?

Yes, I'm the husband/father. I AM circumcised. And I am MAD AS HELL about it!

: It boggles the mind how people are so...um...ignorant, I think is the word I'm looking for. My parents were just doing as the church expected, I think. No research, no thinking for yourself, just blindly follow the leader.

 

[Amputee]

I still haven't figured out what the UAV list is...someone want to clue me in? Maybe a PM?

 

[Fellow Traveler]

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Originally Posted by Amputee Thanks for the links... The good news is that after watching the 5 minute circumcision video on Google video (link from Intactivism page) and looking at pictures and watching the D.O.C. prepuce video, my wife is now convinced that circumcision is completely wrong. :

Hey that's great. It's always good when your SO is on the same page WRT this issue. Though to be honest, the roles are usually flipped. The Intactivism pages are a great resource if you have the time, send the webmaster some feedback. It's nice to know when you're making an impact.

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Originally Posted by Amputee She even asked "Are we even going to take him to the urologist?" NO was the answer, and we'll be finding a new pediatrician (after I attempt to provide some education to our current one) I think it was the Google video circumcision that put the final nail in the "circumcision is wrong!! SO WRONG!!!" coffin. Thank God it's available, for those hard to convince.

Again WRT your son just read the 'normal development link' and if you have any more questions please let us know.

I wish the video would convince everyone. The problem is that some seem to think it means that if they make sure it doesn't hurt it should be fine.

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Originally Posted by Amputee Yes, I'm the husband/father. I AM circumcised. And I am MAD AS HELL about it! : It boggles the mind how people are so...um...ignorant, I think is the word I'm looking for. My parents were just doing as the church expected, I think. No research, no thinking for yourself, just blindly follow the leader.

I am sorry to hear that, I am going to PM you in a second. I'll add that keep in mind that your parents didn't have as much access to information as you do and figured all boys were circumcised. So don't be too hard on them. In any case, not to add to it but you're aware the circumcision is not in the Christian dogma right?

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Originally Posted by Amputee I still haven't figured out what the UAV list is...someone want to clue me in? Maybe a PM?

User Agreement Violation. I think that you can't use profanity so when the say someone is a UAV substitute the appropriate profane word to describe a person you're not happy with.

Anyway, it's always nice to have another guy around so I hope you'll stick around. I was fortunate enough to be spared myself.

 

[Amputee]

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Originally Posted by jwhispers I'll add that keep in mind that your parents didn't have as much access to information as you do and figured all boys were circumcised. So don't be too hard on them. In any case, not to add to it but you're aware the circumcision is not in the Christian dogma right?

Yes, I know that it was not nearly as easy to get information then...my Dad (also mutilated) is dead and I try not to hold it against my mother. I have been thinking about asking her about the details of the issue...it did not become a cause for me until my son was conceived; I never questioned it. It was always just the way things were...

I also am aware that circumcision is not in the Christian dogma (try convincing my [non-Jewish!] in-laws of that!) Again, a matter of doing my own looking and not just blindly following the leader. My wife had more than a couple fights with her mom about my decision to not mutilate our son. Covenant with Abraham, blah, blah...we're not Jewish! Not that it matters...it's wrong anyway!

I do not understand how it cannot be a criminal act. Seriously. It's child abuse.

"Primum non nocere"

 

[MCatLvrMom2A&X]

Here is a link that you may find helpful for the future http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=764732 your ds may have none of these things, one of these things, or a combination. I like to know what "might" happen so that I am prepaired for it and know what to do if it happens so that I dont have to rely on Dr's who usually have no idea what they are talking about.

Another thing what he did by pulling it tight is retraction please read the sticky's at the top of the forum A Warning To Parents Of Intact Sons and The Definition Of Retraction & Why It Is BAD

 

[latinalonestar]

So you saw the Penn and Teller video right? If not here is the link:

 

[Yulia_R]

I personally don't see a single reason why you should talk to urologist. Your son is PERFECTLY fine. Mine is 3.5 yo and his foreskin is nice and tight, not anywhere near of being retractable.

I'm very outspoken person and if it happened to me, I would absolutely say to the ped that he is so ignorant and misinformed about the issue that it's not even funny. I would say that I am VERY upset that such misinformation of his hurts little boys and that unless he gets aducated on the issue, we will be looking for a new ped. I would say that I will fax him contact info of doctors opposing circ, that if he tell them what he just told me they will most definitely explain him why it made me so upset and why it is wrong. We need to fight this kind of ignorance just as much as RIC itself, this is just as dangerous.

 

[Amputee]

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Originally Posted by latinalonestar So you saw the Penn and Teller video right? If not here is the link:

Yes, I've seen it, and many others relating to circumcision. I've spent hours on youtube and google video.

 

[Amputee]

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Originally Posted by Yulia_R I personally don't see a single reason why you should talk to urologist. Your son is PERFECTLY fine. Mine is 3.5 yo and his foreskin is nice and tight, not anywhere near of being retractable.

Yes, I have come to the conclusion that he is perfectly fine, and we are not going to the urologist.

I wasn't initially aware that retraction was any pulling back of the foreskin, whether or not the glans is exposed. At this point, I can't believe I let our pediatrician ever touch my sons penis.

 

[LadyCatherine185]

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Originally Posted by Amputee Yes, I know that it was not nearly as easy to get information then...my Dad (also mutilated) is dead and I try not to hold it against my mother. I have been thinking about asking her about the details of the issue...it did not become a cause for me until my son was conceived; I never questioned it. It was always just the way things were... I also am aware that circumcision is not in the Christian dogma (try convincing my [non-Jewish!] in-laws of that!) Again, a matter of doing my own looking and not just blindly following the leader. My wife had more than a couple fights with her mom about my decision to not mutilate our son. Covenant with Abraham, blah, blah...we're not Jewish! Not that it matters...it's wrong anyway! I do not understand how it cannot be a criminal act. Seriously. It's child abuse. "Primum non nocere"

You should read through this article (its REALLY long, sorry!) regarding circ and the Bible. In the New Testament, Paul preaches AGAINST circ. Basically after Jesus' death, circ was no longer necessary. It may be enough to convince your IL's if they believe the Bible to be true....

http://www.udonet.com/circumcision/christian.html