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I've seen those seatbelts for toddlers that connect to the parent's belt on flights. Thought they were really great sounding, but then it seems like I ran across an article that said they could cause real damage to the kid in the case of turbulence. That maybe they could even severe the child's torso. Has anyone used one and/or read anything about these?<br><br>
We're going on a trip soon, and DS will be on my lap. Tickets are already purchased, so another seat is not an option. TIA.
 

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It is my understanding they aren't approved for use during take off and landing, which is when you'd most want the child to be secured. So you'd only be using it while the plane's in the air, but it's better than nothing as far as turbulence, etc., goes, I'd think. I honestly don't know though.<br><br>
Even though you've purchased the tickets, could you call and ask about a discounted child ticket? Some airlines do offer discounted tickets for children under a certain age.<br><br>
Here's a good site with some info on it:<br><br><a href="http://www.cpsafety.com/articles/airplanetravel.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.cpsafety.com/articles/airplanetravel.aspx</a>
 

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You can't use it during take-off/landing b/c it is better for you to drop the baby than smoosh him against you during a crash. You can use it inflight though both to prevent him from getting dropped in turbulence (babies do get hurt from that often enough) and to keep him from running all over the plane and getting yelled at or kicked off.
 

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We bought one for my DD when she was 17 months and we just couldn't afford the extra seat. PP are right that it cannot be used during takeoff and landing only when already in the air. I liked that it kept DD somewhat restrained on the plane (she's very spirited) and close to me. I did not like that often on the flights when I looked down at my seatbelt it was unbuckled because the strap kept hitting the buckle. We landed at one of our stops and when I went to unbuckle my seatbelt it was already undone. . .kind of freaked me out!
 

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Would wearing the baby in a sling or mei tai type thing work the same? And are those allowed during take off and landing?<br><br>
I haven't a clue honestly. We were pretty freaked after researching it all, so for our recent trip we ended up insisting on a third seat for a rear-facing carseat for our child. It's certainly not the cheapest option, but it's definitely the safest, if you can.<br><br>
Forgive me if that sounds preachy, but when it comes to a child's safety in a moving vehicle, and that includes planes, I think doing whatever we can to protect our babies is best, even if it's expensive.<br><br>
Anyway. I sincerely hope you find something that will work for you, and that you all have a very safe trip. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Would wearing the baby in a sling or mei tai type thing work the same? And are those allowed during take off and landing?</div>
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Nope. Not allowed on take off and landing.<br><br>
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Bottom line is that the only truly safe way to travel is with your LO in a car seat. I understand the financial implications, I have them too but if we can't afford the seat we don't travel. PERIOD. Can you put a price on the safety and/or life of your child??
 

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Yes, a seat of their own is safest.<br><br>
But, how many children died last year in their parents' laps from turbulence on an airplane or during take off and landing? How many children died by choking on something in their parents' house?<br><br>
My point is that we need to be realistic about risk, and financial burden. And realistically, the chances of surviving a crash aren't great.<br><br>
My parents are 78 and 83. My mother is blind. My father has congestive heart failure (though he's doing really, really well). We live 1500 miles from them. If we don't travel to see them, we don't see them. I love my parents. I want my children to know them. When dd was a baby and toddler, I chose not to teach in the summers so that I could be home with her. But that meant a $5,000 reduction in income. We could NOT afford another ticket for her (even if tickets for those under 2 are 1/2 price.) We were already paying $1000 for 3 of us to fly. Heck, we're probably still paying off the tickets we bought for the rest of us!<br><br>
If you can, buy her a seat. If not, then hold on tight while you take off and land. Use a sling or something else to keep her safe from turbulence.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Yes, a seat of their own is safest.<br><br>
But, how many children died last year in their parents' laps from turbulence on an airplane or during take off and landing? How many children died by choking on something in their parents' house?<br><br>
My point is that we need to be realistic about risk, and financial burden. And realistically, the chances of surviving a crash aren't great.<br><br>
My parents are 78 and 83. My mother is blind. My father has congestive heart failure (though he's doing really, really well). We live 1500 miles from them. If we don't travel to see them, we don't see them. I love my parents. I want my children to know them. When dd was a baby and toddler, I chose not to teach in the summers so that I could be home with her. But that meant a $5,000 reduction in income. We could NOT afford another ticket for her (even if tickets for those under 2 are 1/2 price.) We were already paying $1000 for 3 of us to fly. Heck, we're probably still paying off the tickets we bought for the rest of us!<br><br>
If you can, buy her a seat. If not, then hold on tight while you take off and land. Use a sling or something else to keep her safe from turbulence.</div>
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Thanks for that; I was starting to feel like a terrible mother. We've made similar lifestyle decisions and can afford what we can afford.
 

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Well, we use easyjet in europe all the time and they require you to use the belt WHEN TAKING off and WHEN LANDING. yes, that's right.<br><br>
I have refused many times. I can't possibly nurse in that position, as they wouldn't allow him to be facing me (and was sleeping). They made me turn him forward which woke him. GRRR!!!<br><br>
Next time i might cause a scene. we use this airline a lot, but they refused my request to not use it. I wanted to use my Ergo. We also cannot afford another seat.<br><br>
Its so infuriating! they just stand there and MAKE me do something unsafe for my 1 year old! i'd MUCH rather hold him tight then have a belt smash into his organs. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Bottom line is that the only truly safe way to travel is with your LO in a car seat. I understand the financial implications, I have them too but if we can't afford the seat we don't travel. PERIOD. Can you put a price on the safety and/or life of your child??</div>
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i would say this for a car, but not a plane. i agree with stanswife that you do what you can.<br><br>
What about all the threads on here that don't use car seats in a taxi? Now THAT i say never. period. Cars are way more dangerous than planes.
 

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We are travelling to Africa in the next couple of weeks. Not only is a full ticket for ds over $1500 (and even though he won't have his own seat, we're still paying close to $500), it would be hugely impractical to lug around a bulky carseat in a place where half the time, the cars won't have seatbelts to secure the thing. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> In an ideal world, it would be best for toddlers to travel in any moving vehicle secured in a carseat. But as we all know, things are not always ideal. You do what you can with what you have and leave the rest up to who or what ever you believe in.
 

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We have traveled with our children a lot, and only once have we used a carseat....and that was our very first time traveling with a baby. We quickly realized what a mistake it was to lug a heavy, bulky carseat around and to have it on the plane. We always buy seats for our children, but we never bring their carseats. We've taken several long flights (7hours or more) and there's no way that either of our DC are going to sit in a car seat for 7+ hours, it's not practical. It's way better to have the extra seats for playing games in, changing diapers in, putting up the armrests and stretching out a bit when DC are sleeping.<br><br>
I'd say it would be a cold day in hell before turbulence actually killed a child, and let's face it, if your plane crashes, car seat or not, there's little chance for survival.<br><br>
I agree that the safest way to travel, in a car, is with the LO in a car seat, but planes and cars are 2 completely different beasts.
 

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I can tell you that I fly Continental (domestically) and get my under-two DD's tickets at 1/2 price.
 

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I've also gotten half-price tickets for under-2's with Delta and Northwest.<br><br>
As far as extension belts go, I have also been required to use them while flying throughout Europe. But then flight attendants in the states have warned about them severing the child's torso. We have the financial luxury of always being able to have an extra seat, so an infant can be in a carseat, and a toddler in his CARES restraint (I am in love with these - <a href="http://www.kidsflysafe.com" target="_blank">www.kidsflysafe.com</a> - they are the perfect answer to not wanting to travel with the bulk of a carseat - especially helpful when traveling internationally and alone with two kids under 4 - but not wanting to compromise on safety.) But I digress. Yes, buying an extra seat for your child is preferable, but realistically many people cannot afford that. If you're traveling with a lapchild, you can ask for a seatbelt extender to use during the flight, if you think it might be useful, but I don't think you'll need it, especially since you can't use it during takeoff and landing. I think a sling is much more useful - for the flight, for carrying ds through the airport, and for comfort (assuming ds is used to the sling).
 

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My question is, how do the airlines get away with not providing a 5-pt-harness seatbelt for kids? They charge the big bucks and do nothing to help with safety for children.<br><br>
Must be some lobbying group.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">My question is, how do the airlines get away with not providing a 5-pt-harness seatbelt for kids? They charge the big bucks and do nothing to help with safety for children.<br><br>
Must be some lobbying group.</div>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/yeahthat.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="yeah that">:<br><br>
I couldn't agree more! For all the safety rules and requirements the airlines have, you would certainly think they could at least provide a 5-pt harness or the CARES thingy or heck, even a car seat, so that children can be as safe as possible.<br><br>
I am about to fly with my 3-year old and will be lugging the car seat. I am not looking forward to the hassle of it. I need a car seat at my destination, but probably could have had my parents, whom we are visiting, find one to borrow.<br><br>
I'd love to know if there are any groups out there seeking changes in the way airlines provide for the safety of children. . . . I'd definitely join in!!
 
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