[RowansDad]

Today's Washington Post editorial makes a salient point:

"In December 2002, Mr. Rumsfeld approved a series of harsh questioning methods for use at the Guantanamo Bay base. According to the Wall Street Journal, these included the removal of clothing, the use of "stress positions," hooding, "fear of dogs," and "mild non-injurious physical contact." Even before that, the Journal reported, interrogators at Guantanamo forced prisoners to wear women's underwear on their heads. A year later, when some of the same treatment was publicized through the Abu Ghraib photographs, Mr. Rumsfeld described it as "grievous and brutal abuse and cruelty.""

More here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer

Anyone who thinks that one cannot infer that the "terrorists are winning" in light of the fact that this nation's government is stooping to this level, should step back and think about this belief.

 

[Joyce in the mts.]

"Anyone who thinks that one cannot infer that the "terrorists are winning" in light of the fact that this nation's government is stooping to this level, should step back and think about this belief."

Worth repeating!
Joyce in the mts.

 

[sweetest]

I have been following these stories in disbelief. I have been a member of Amnesty International for around 15 years and when I would explain what we did (fight torture) I would get the reply "well, who is in favor of torture". Now we know the answer.

I really want to see the DOJ memo about the president being able to order torture.

After 9/11 there was talk "in favor of torture" , I was hoping it would be quashed. But we must not forget the recent training of torture methods at the School of the Americas in Georgia.

I am glad that this is met with outrage, I feel so powerless to stop it. We must remind ourselves that human rights is about basic rights for everyone. That we never go below this common demoninator, no matter what, no matter who, no matter why.

 

[RowansDad]

Here's a pretty good analysis on this mess 'o' memos, along with links to at least the March 2003 one:
http://www.discourse.net/archives/20...ture_memo.html

 

[Rainbow]

I don't get how this man is even eligible to run. He should be impeached.

 

[Joyce in the mts.]

To lighten things just a bit, I thought I'd share this great bumpersticker apropros of this thread:

http://www.cafeshops.com/patriotboy.11675326

I am seriously considering buying some of these.
Joyce in the mts.

 

[DebraBaker]

Anytime we give up our values we didn't win.

This makes me so sad because we are generally good people and I so appriciate my liberties and wish other people freedom but not at the price of giving up the value of simple human dignity.

Putting my head back in the clouds now.....

Debra Baker

 

[RowansDad]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainbow I don't get how this man is even eligible to run. He should be impeached.

I'm gonna go out on the limb and guess that Tom Delay's Congress ain't going to put a Bush impeachment vote on the fast track. Besides the former bug killer has his own problems (see
DeLay to Be Subject of Ethics Complaint http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer

More on the Delay and his ethical issues here http://www.motherjones.com/news/dail...06/06_518.html

 

[Joyce in the mts.]

Statement by the President
United Nations International Day in Support of Victims of Torture

June 2003:

"The United States is committed to the world-wide elimination of torture and we are leading this fight by example. I call on all governments to join with the United States and the community of law-abiding nations in prohibiting, investigating, and prosecuting all acts of torture and in undertaking to prevent other cruel and unusual punishment. I call on all nations to speak out against torture in all its forms and to make ending torture an essential part of their diplomacy. I further urge governments to join America and others in supporting torture victims' treatment centers, contributing to the UN Fund for the Victims of Torture, and supporting the efforts of non-governmental organizations to end torture and assist its victims."

More here:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0030626-3.html

Now that's a doozie ain't it?
Joyce in the mts.

 

[Els' 3 Ones]

Quote:

The United States is committed to the world-wide elimination of torture and we are leading this fight by example

OH

MY

GOD

!!!!!!!

The f**king nerve!!!!

Does he look for things to make us look even more like hypocrites???????

Notice his *list* of countries?

Quote:

Burma, Cuba, North Korea, Iran, and Zimbabwe,

Slightly hand-picked to enhance his speech, dontcha think?

Not a single Central American country.....................ooopppps, that's right we funded those regimes!

Not a word about the SOA, either. Pssssst, George, it would lend to your credibility to talk about closing the SOA down.

 

[Joyce in the mts.]

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