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Hello I am new to this arena and I posted my plight of concern once and think it got erased. I had a pretty uneasy experience at the pediatricians office and hope someone out there can relate. Unfortunately, I thought i picked out a good place to take my son, and maybe it still is but i went there having questions and concerns over immunizations and automatic drug therapies anytime my child was ill. So I questioned and i questioned. Apparently when i started to feel an uncomfortable vibe, and being treated different for it, i requested my childs file and inside it read "SPENT 45 MIN TALKING WITH MOTHER!" I know parents have the right to choose to immunize or not, but is it okay for them to tarnish the parent for having questions and concerns and asking for the information? And opting for different choices ?? Furthermore, I was told that we could not come back for visits unless my child is immunized for the safety of the other clients. I just feel very unsupported and that there is a fundemental lack of compassion for those who are researching and trying to make choices best suited for them. Also, about nonimmunization of a child, does it hurt the public if one chooses not to do so? and also for the the child? I am still unsure if i should or not?
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this is what I was told as well. I said fine, I will not stay here if I am being REQUIRED to do something that Is against my will. I will not do something without doing complete research and making sure that it is the best for my son.
I switched peds, I go to a family doctor now. I liked my ex-ped but I was not going to lie to myself and believe getting 4 shots at 2 months was ok. It is not (IMO)
and my ds is so healthy I just didn't want to screw it up. He's almosr 20 lbs at 4 months, I had a feeling getting those shots was going to mess up his own inmune system, I believe vaxes are good (don't get me wrong, they are life-saving IMO) just not at 2 months or whatever the 'recommended' (more like "forced") schedule of the AAP says. I recommend you post at the vaccinations forum, there is TONS of information there available for mamas that need answers...
I found so much help there when I was struggling with this issue. Now.. I finally am at peace!

good luck!
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I am really beginning to hate doctors!!!! The whole medical profession is beginning to make me SICK.

You have just added fuel to my fire.

Dina

P.S-I know there are exceptions...like good old Dr. Sears and Dr. Gordon.
Immunizations are a hotly debated topic. I'm not going to get into whether or not you should ~ you need to make that decision for yourself & your children. I encourage all parents whether they want to get all or none; do research. There is so much information out there, don't put something in your child without knowing what it is & how your kid may respond.

Immunizations are not REQUIRED by law, they are RECOMMENDED by a governmental agency, there's a big difference.

You can find the CDC info on vaccines at: www.cdc.gov
You can find out your legal rights about NOT immunizing at the National Vaccine Information Center: www.909shot.com

I will tell you a couple of things about your appt:

First, the "45 min" comment may not be a bash on you. In order for a doctor to get paid certain rates by an ins co. they either have to accomplish a certain number of "medical items" on a predetermined list OR they have to log a certain amount of time. This note may have been for his billing person.

Second, a doctor does have the right to "kick you out" of his practice for not accepting immunizations ~ but hey, if he's not willing to let you make medical decisions for your child, do you really want him anyway??? Also keep in mind that shots are not an all-or-nothing thing. I chose very specifically what immunizations & when my son would have them. My ped gave me a form to sign to release her from any liability. I also think the fact that I had done my research & had reasons for ALL of my immunization decisions made it easier for me to talk with my ped.

Pediatricians are providing a SERVICE. If you are not happy with the service that this one provides ~ find a new one! Your children will pick up that you don't have a great repore with your ped & they will not trust him either.
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This kind of stuff kills me. As if it is a bad thing that you spent 45 wole minutes ensuring that you are doing what is best for your baby. Good grief, like 45 minutes is a long time in the grand scheme of things! What is the world coming to that we don't have an hour here and an hour there to talk to other human beings and safeguard the purity of our children's bodies? As a PP may have said, it may have been for other reasons than to poke fun or take a dig at you (I worked in health care and I can tell you that IME it would be very unusual for a HCP to actually write down a derrogatory comment in a patient's chart. It doesn't make them look good in case there is ever a lawsuit or an inquiry or anything). Sorry you had a rough time>
And I ABSOLUTELY think you should go elsewhere if you do not feel comfortable and supported. You can try talking with the Dr. again and mentioning your feelings and seeing if things improve, if you feel like you should give him the opportunity to make amends in case he was just having a bad day or whatever. But healthcare is a SERVICE in the United States, we pay for it, and none of the things we bitch about are going to change unless we DEMAND that they change, and the way to do that is to support providers who give the quality of evidence-based care that we want. The consumers control the product, we just have to remind ourselves to stand up and not be satisfied with an inferior product!
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There are definitely other doctors out there - I don't know your area but I have a ped who is very, very good at talking through which vaccinations are relatively more important.

I am not going to defend vaccination programs here - but I am going to explain the public health statistics business. For each illness (depending on how easily it spreads and how long a person is infectious), there is a percent of the population which could be immunized and make the chance that an unimmunized person could get it be zero. For some diseases (smallpox), it is actually attainable through a vaccination program to eliminate the disease. The long term goal is to eliminate the need for vaccination.

Anyway, that is the logic of a vaccination program. This doesn't address the risks of vaccination to any particular child, however. And certainly, you deserve a doctor who can discuss risks and benefits with you as an individual without blacklisting you for it.

Hope this helps and made some sense.
Nancy
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Originally Posted by sawsun1
Furthermore, I was told that we could not come back for visits unless my child is immunized for the safety of the other clients. I just feel very unsupported and that there is a fundemental lack of compassion for those who are researching and trying to make choices best suited for them. Also, about nonimmunization of a child, does it hurt the public if one chooses not to do so? and also for the the child? I am still unsure if i should or not?
Um, if everyone is getting vaccinated, why are they even concerned? Could it be that the vaccines don't work?! (oh the heresy to even suggest that) but you can see the ridiculous fallacy of their argument here.

Don't give these insecure and uncaring people another thought... try and get a new ped who supports you! I cannot believe they withheld further visits in order to make you do something you are uncomfortable with. Let's say you did vaccinate and your child suffered a reaction...would you bring him/her to their office for care? Trust your instincts and good luck OXOXOXO
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As a PP said, the 45 minutes comment is likely more for billing or to document an interaction. For example, whenever I have a long conversation with a patient's family member, I always document it so that if there are any problems, the record shows that I talked with them on X occasions, kwim?

Also, I don't think _any_ physician thinks that vaccines are 100% effective. I'm not going to debate vaccines here, but it is commonly accepted in the medical profession that vaccines significantly increase immunity to those diseases (to, I don't know, 95-99%, maybe more?). The public health concern is that if you have 1000 children who are vaccinated, their risk is tiny, because even the 10-50 who are not immune are unlikely to encounter someone who is infected. But if you have 900 vaccinated kids and 100 non-vaccinated kids, now you have 110-150 kids who are not immune, so if one develops the disease, they are a lot more likely to infect someone else, just due to increased risk of contacting a non-immune person.

Of course, this is an oversimplification, plus immunity is not just a yes or no thing but a matter of degrees in some cases.
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loving-my-babiesI was not going to lie to myself and believe getting 4 shots at 2 months was ok. I recommend you post at the vaccinations forum said:
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I thank you for that and helps me stay a bit more stronger.....

Does anyone know how to reply to your own thread with the quote option?
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