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Hi all,<br>
I am just sick over the 2 cavities I discovered in my sweet little boy's teeth. They are on the two teeth next to the top front middle teeth, on the outside corners, nearly on the points (like a mirror image) I do notice that when I put him to sleep, he has breasrmilk dripping out of his mouth sometimes. Is this a classic case of the dawdler? They are about pinhead sized, and indented when I run my fingernail over them. They were brown when I discovered them a week ago, I then stepped up the brushing to 3-4x per day (from 1-2x) and am giving him chewable fluoride pills .25 mg. Now one has turned black. !Does this mean they are very rapidly progressing, or is this a good sign? He has an appointment in early October, should I move it up? I am just sick over this. My 4 yr old has a dead gray tooth from a fall, and everyone thinks it is decayed, now this. I feel like a crappy momma. My poor babies teeth!<br>
TIA<br>
Karen
 

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Don't be too hard on yourself...kid's cavities happen to the best of us!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love"><br>
Yep! He sounds like a dawdler. Have you read about the Tea Tree oil squirts after his nighttime nursing? It will force him to swallow the last of the milk and help the saliva rinse the mouth, and kill off some of the bacteria present.<br>
The cavities can progress rapidly and the bacteria can also spread to other teeth, so it is a good idea to move the appointment up to asap.<br>
I can understand how frustrating and disappointing the cavity discovery is, especially since you have been so conscious about his hygeine.....<br>
Something else that might be helpful to know, are some of the good foods that fight the bacteria....apples, cheese, grapes, nuts, whole grains....<br>
My dd is missing her top two teeth and has two caps on the ones next to them. So I can totally relate to your feelings about appearances. I know people are always wondering what happened. If they ask, I talk in detail, if not, I let it go, knowing that I am doing my best to take care of her and learning so much as I go.....Hang in there!!!!! You ARE doing a great job!!!
 

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Well I found out that the one cavity was not black after all, It had some food stuck in it <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/blush.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="blush"> even after brushing well! I guess it is quite a little pit!<br>
Anyhoo the DDS fit us in due to a cancellation, much to the relief of my anxiety. I was so surprised and pleased that after role playing the night before, my little guy leaned his head back in the Dr's lap and let him examine, although I could tell he was a little tense. He said "we usually see this type of thing in three cases, extended BF, bottle after 1 year, or excessive sippy cup use, do any of these sound familiar?" So I said "we still BF." He said "from a strictly dental standpoint, I would say wean" No shocker to me, this guy's reputation preceeds him, but he is the only DDS on my insurance who will let parents in the room, and as far as work goes, he does a good job, so I just said "my sons pediatrician and allergist reccomend we continue", and he said "OK but I suggest you night wean, because the damage is on both of his side incisors, which I would expect from night nursing lying down and switching sides" I said something non committal. He will "scoop out " the cavity with a hand tool and fill with plastic. He said it is the best option due to age. We will do it in 1-2 visits depending on how it goes.<br>
My question: what can I expect from this procedure? Is it a good fit for the problem? How the heck do they scoop it out?<br>
Also, I am beginning to think he may have a point RE: night nursing. My son nurses A LOT at night, and tends to be a dawdler. I can't see doing the tea tree thing 6-8 times a night in the pitch dark, waking him up with it (light sleeper) and having to nurse him again! Any advice would be appreciated. I have spent 12+ hours on the archives in the last few days, but haven't seen anything about this situation in particular . Thanks!!! TIA Karen mom to Avery 4.5 and Gabriel 23 mo
 

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Smilemomma, no doubt knows better than I, about the scoop. Sounds so gentle!!!!<br>
About the night weaning. I nightweaned dd at 20 months. We are still day bf'ing at 3. I have no regrets about night weaning. It was difficult in the beginning for about a week and then at times for a few months. I gradually night weaned. In the beginning I just held her or not, depending on what she wanted. And I let ther cry. The crying part was hard, but after just 3 nights, she would just call out and fall asleep in mid-call. So we went from every 2-3 hr. wakings to 5 hours, 6 hours, then made it all the way to 8 in just a couple of months. (Although we made a major move w/time change in the 3rd month, which was disrupting so I regressed to a 3 am feeding for a month or so)<br>
I have no regrets at all about night weaning.<br>
For me, it seemed healthy and important that dd was learning to fall back asleep on her own (with me right there) and to get such solid good blocks of sleep. We both benefit from the long hours of sleep too!<br>
Sounds like you have a compassionate dentist, one that could benefit from the knowledge of Smilemomma!!! And your ds is one fortunate boy to have you as a mama too<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love">
 

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Re: nightweaning:<br><br>
My dd had 7 cavities at ~20 months, a night nurser, and smilemomma convinced me I didn't need to nightwean, (I was very worried.) At her 6-month check-up... fine. She just had her 1-year check-up... FINE! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shine.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="toothy"> I only just nightweaned in the past few weeks (she seemed ready, and also I wanted to be able to truthfully tell the dentist that she was nightweaned if it came up.)<br><br>
Nightweaning has gone really well, much better than I think it would've a year ago, and the dentist said that her teeth looked *wonderful*. We have been brushing after every meal, and morning and evening with flouride.
 

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Just curious to those who have answered so far, or anyone else. How much of a night nurser is/was your child. A friend and I have a theory that maybe night nursing is more of a teeth problem to those who nurse 5+ times per night . I haven't gotten more than 4 hours of sleep in a stretch for almost 2 years.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/sleeping.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="sleeping"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/help.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="help"> . Usually more like 1-3 hours on a typical night. I feel that if I could get him down to 1-2 times it might be better for his teeth (not being bathed in milk ALL night) How did you go about it? (night weaning) You can email me if too off topic<br><a href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br>
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It's your thread, so you can discuss anything you want. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"><br><br>
With my dd, I think the central issue as to why she got cavities was a) not enough brushing, and b) non-fluoride toothpaste.<br><br>
I don't remember at this point who often she nursed a year ago. She's been 1-3 times a night for a long time, though, unless something specific was going on (thunderstorms, sick, etc.)<br><br>
Nightweaning had several stages. (She still isn't nightweaned in the purest sense, since she nurses before she falls asleep, but that's the next stage.) First, she started getting out of bed and going into her room to sleep on the (carpeted) floor more than a year ago, I think. I glommed onto that and took the mattress from her crib (which she'd never slept in) and put it on the floor in her room. We slept there for a while, until she got used to it, and at some point (fuzzy on timeline) I started moving away from her -- leaving her on the mattress but going about 4-5 feet away from her. I noticed that she liked to snuggle to sleep and snuggle when she woke up, but she actually slept better if I wasn't right next to her. At the beginning she would wake up and wiggle over to me, nurse, and we'd both fall back asleep. (Her whole bedroom floor became one big bed, basically.)<br><br>
I can fill in the intervening steps upon request (a major one was converting her crib to a bed and putting the mattress on it), but for about 4 months we have followed the following pattern:<br><br>
We read books in my bedroom, then read books in her room, then she falls asleep nursing (or after nursing) on the pallet next to her bed, and when she is asleep, I go back to my bedroom and sleep in my bed. If she wakes up, she comes and gets me and (until a couple of weeks ago) nurses back to sleep.<br><br>
She DEFINITELY wakes less and DEFINITELY nurses less if we are not right next to each other all night.<br><br>
She was sick about a month ago, woke up a lot and tried to nurse back to sleep, couldn't because of a stuffy nose, and then when she got better was a nursing fiend. 5-6 times a night, and twiddling the free boob when she was at it. Was making me insane, and I knew it wasn't necessary for her. (She had been sleeping all the way through the night or waking 1 time before the fiend episode.) So we had a talk about how Mama's boobsies need to sleep, too. I said I would get her a special sleepy bottle for nighttimes, and she got all excited about that, and we went and got it right away... a no-spill sippy cup with a soft spout. (Had tried regular bottles but she likes to squeeze the nipple and squirt vast quantities of water everywhere.) She doesn't "use" pacifiers, only plays with them occasionally ("I'm a baby!"), but she saw some glow-in-the-dark pacifiers and she liked them so we got those, too.<br><br>
So then we had the talk again, about how she could have milk from mama's boobsies only when it was light, not when it is dark, so mama's boobsies can sleep. We went over this several times over the course of the day, and that night we did all of the usual routine, and then laid down in our usual spot with the light ON. She nursed, said goodnight to mama's boobsies, and I turned off the light and gave her the bottle filled with warm <i>water</i>, and a glow-in-the-dark pacifier, and laid back down next to her. She snuggled in, had some water, and eventually fell asleep. Very good and brave. She really wanted to touch a boobsie (her word <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> ) and so I let her just lay her hand on it flat, and that was enough for her.<br><br>
The second night she protested a bit but was OK.<br><br>
The third night she had a 1-minute fit, clawing at my hands as I used them to cover my boobs, and reminded her "When it's light outside...", then subsided, snuggled in, and fell asleep.<br><br>
The fourth night she protested a bit but was OK.<br><br>
Since then she has been fine with it. I've really lavished praise on her, and she seems to get it.<br><br>
Last night was pretty typical of how things have been going. She fell asleep in her room on my arm, I went to my bed, around 4 am she came in, snuggled under the covers with me, patted my boob lightly, and went to sleep. I woke up at about 8, she is still sleeping in my bed.<br><br>
The next step is to make nursing the last part of the "evening snack", THEN brush teeth, THEN snuggle to sleep with just bottle/pacifier.<br><br>
Wow, I tried to condense but still really long! Hope it is somewhat helpful.
 

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Thanks for the advice sozobe. I have been getting a little more sleep lately, and he even slept 7 hours last night <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/partytime.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="partytime"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/partytime.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="partytime"><br>
Smile momma, if you get a chance can you tell me what you think of the "scooping" method (no drill) Is it enough to get all the decay, or could it continue decaying under the composite?<br>
The Dr did not prescribe any sedatives, I will get the chamomile and peace and calming this weekend. Anyone know of a good deal on this stuff? My husband's gonna flip at over 50 $ for essential oils! Do they really work? Should I ask for a mild sedative? One of the cavities has gotten bigger and is deep!<br>
Thanks for any help,<br>
Karen
 
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