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Well I took Paisley in for a check up today, mostly just because I wanted to find out her weight...but we never even got there! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"> Doc checked her breathing and heartbeat and then asked me about vax...I told him we were delaying for now so I could get a better grasp...okay, so I lied, we have no intentions of vaxing, but sometimes I am a chicken...so anyway, the rest of the appt he lectured me about the dangers of childhood disease and how anyone who says vaxes are harmful is a crackpot, and how he has been a doc for 10 years and has never seen a vax damaged child...like that automatically means there are none <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"> ...and that there are more metals in my BREASTMILK than in a vax <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: ...like that would convince me that puting MORE in her is a good idea, even if it were true...and he told me that there were tons of studies that vaxes were safe and none that they were harmful...but wouldn't tell me where I could find them, and also when I started to mention the NVIC and VAERS he cut me of and went on about how dangerous childhood diseases were and even went so far as to say that if I don't get her vaxed ASAP she would be dead by 4 months! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hopmad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hopping mad"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/Cuss.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="cuss"><br><br>
I know where all this comes from, and I have no intentions of vaxing, nothing he said to me was different from the usual lines, they say alot of supposedly impressive things but never back them up with fact, and called anyone who didn't vax a psycho...I was not at all impressed, in fact, when I told dh he said that it's time for a new doc and I agree...it's sad though, cause I did like him at first...but he was more concerned about trying to scare me into vaxing than weighing and measuring my dd as he was supposed to, in fact that was the whole reason for the visit. Well, that has me convinced, I'll weigh her at the grocery store if I need to, and no more routine visits, just when she is sick. OTOH a clinic is opening up closer to our house, so with any luck we will find a better doc. I don't need the doc to agree, but I need him/her to repsect that it is my desicion to make and not try to scare me into something to which I am opposed! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/splat.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="splat"><br><br>
Okay, thanks for letting me rant...and if anyone knows a good doc in my area, (Campbell River, Courtney are!) let me know! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"> I know they are few and far between, but I remain hopeful. Tonight though, I feel like this: <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/banghead.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="banghead">
 

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what a dolt!<br><br>
Sorry you had to go through that, but glad you stuck to your guns.<br>
You should have asked him how on earth we all are not dead? You would think humans would be extinct without vaccines from his account.<br>
I don't ever say this - but- what an idiot!<br>
Good luck finding a new doc.<br>
In the meantime - don't weigh her in the grocery store - God knows those Flumist people might be dirtying everything up, buy a digital scale (one that shows ounces or tenths of pounds) get on by yourself , then get on with her and just subtract your weight out! Voila - no doc necessary!
 

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I am so sorry you had such an awful, horrendous experience. If you were not so well informed he might have persuaded you to vaccinate right then and there.<br><br>
So what was his point about metal in breastmilk? Does he know you are not injecting the bm into the blood? It goes through a filtering process by gawed!<br><br><br>
Perhaps you could write a letter after you've found another doctor, informing him on some of the things you know. Even if it is anonymous.<br><br>
So he gave your child 4 months to live? How generous of him. Is his prognosis that grim with all his patients? He is a sorry doctor if he doesn't trust a human body to last longer than that without being injected with something. He is scared and brainwashed. I feel sorry for his own kids. They'll get every under the sun for every sniff and cough.<br><br>
Don't worry about the weight of the baby. It's another way to frighten parents into using unusual measures. If your child nurses well, is growing, is content most of the time, poops, pees, sleeps, cries, screams at times, is not lethargic and is generally happy, I would say s/he's a normal child.<br>
Trust mother nature!<br><br>
BTW that baby's lucky to have you as a mother. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up">
 

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Thanks ladies...I know he is so ridiculous I want to scream...I couldn't be pressured to do the vaxes right there...thank goodness, not that I would anyway, but in Canada they are done in a health unit and not at the doc's.<br><br>
It is amazing that the human race still exists isn't it?? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"> Oh and another thing he said was that it's not my choice to make, it's hers, and she would not thank me for skipping them later...he was so certain that she would want to be injected with all this crap...even after I told him that I was vaxed and now that I can choose for myself I would say NO WAY!!! Besides, it IS my choice, I am her mother, it is my responsibility to make the best choices I can for her and that means informing myself. And I am not injecting her with poison now...not to mention, if it is her choice, she can make it, it is possible to be vaxed as an adult (when the risks are actually more real...more adults die from childhood diseases than kids do...why?? because their injected "immunity" has worn off and they never built up real immunity <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/rant.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rant">: ) but it is not possible for her to "unvax" herself in the future! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shake.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shake"><br><br>
Also, I'm not really worried about her weight...she is nursing and peeing and nursing and peeing, and developing fine...I'm just curious, cause she is such a good sized baby, about how much bigger she is! That and she is outgrowing clothes at an alarming rate, I even have her in some clothes marked for 12 months!! No kidding! (Although I realized that the people who made these clothes and though they would fit a one year old are deluded <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"> )<br>
Anyway, I had very little faith in doctors and conventional medicine before, but now it's all gone...what a crock!<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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:LOL<br><br>
Oh...what he said about breastmilk was after I had said that all the metals in it are my biggest concern...he asked if I let her drink water and I said "NO!" (she is 3 months old...sheesh) and he said well, then she drinks bm? and I said yes...then he said that there is more metal and pollutants in my bm than in vaxes...yeah like I'll believe THAT! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"> He is just full of it...and he'll probably be glad to be rid of me, deluded psyco nutcase that I am! :nana:
 

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Ack! WHat a horrible experience! What I don't get is why such an intense reaction from the Dr.?? Why can't a parent who makes a decision based on their self education be respected? Even if you agree to disagree. If he was really concerned about your child and respected you fully, perhaps he could give you some research or say have you researched the risks of not vaxing and how you would deal with that? Then make a note in your file that he encouraged vax, you declined etc. and he's covered. Sorry you had to deal with that. As an aside, we got a decent (not fabulous, but gets the job done.)toddler scale for about $30 at Babies R Us. I have a big boy, so I understand the curiousity of wanting to know how much they weigh.
 

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What a horrible experience!! What a dumb#$#$. I can't believe he said your baby will be dead by 4 months. This sounds like a doc who is falling behind on his rent, and he needs the money he can bill for each vaccine and the "administration cost" of injecting them.<br><br>
Heck, that five minute wbc can turn into double the money if you vax.<br><br>
It is always about money. Read the book How to have a healthy child in spite of your doctor by Dr. Robert Mendelsohn. I always knew about the money, but this book really opens your eyes about the world of pediatrics.
 

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From what I have read, most docs wouldn't know a vaccine damaged child if they bit them in the butt.<br><br>
However, I am willing to bet your dr has seen plenty of children with chronic illness, some may be linked to the very vaccines he pushes, yet no one makes the connection. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
Maybe a family practice doc wouldn't give your child such a death sentence. After watching my 4th child deteriorate after his six month round of vaccines, I will never vaccinate again. My next child did not get any vaccines, we also skipped the routine procedures at the hospital (eye goop/vit k/pku)<br><br>
He is now 26 months old and the healthiest of my five. It seems the greastest chance for death by 4 months, would be to vaccinate. Even the SIDS stats show that the majority of deaths happen in the first 4 months.
 

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Alas, it doesn't. Mercury is efficiently transmitted from blood to breast milk, in amounts that are actually pretty scary: <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8687245&dopt=Abstract" target="_blank">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract</a><br><br>
"The results indicated that there was an efficient transfer of inorganic mercury from blood to milk and that, in this population, mercury from amalgam fillings was the main source of mercury in milk. Exposure of the infant to mercury from breast milk was calculated to range up to 0.3 microg/kg x d, of which approximately one-half was inorganic mercury. This exposure, however, corresponds to approximately one-half the tolerable daily intake for adults recommended by the World Health Organization. We concluded that efforts should be made to decrease mercury burden in fertile women."<br><br>
Pretty scary, especially considering I've got a mouth full of metal -- which I can't even trade in for non-merc fillings as long as I'm breastfeeding, since removing them really bumps the levels.<br><br>
But if you've got filling-free teeth and don't eat fish, you're probably OK.<br><br>
Besides, I agree, Sarah, that knowing that your kid is already exposed to mercury is hardly a persuasive argument for wanted to expose her to <i>more</i>.
 

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The scary thing being he IS a family practice doc...we weren't going to get a ped...sigh, now we need a new doc altogether! I guess it comes down to the fact that I can't have a doc who doesn't respect me, even if we disagree, and if I don't respect him. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:<br><br>
Are the majority, or all fillings amalgam?? cause I have lots...and I do eat tuna..about a can every 3-4 weeks...but really, it's scary enough I certainly don't intend to pump her full of more!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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He's worked in the Third World, and has seen alot of damaged children...but I think it's funny that a doctor wouldn't take into account the comparitive hygiene levels...oh, no, it's all the fault of no vaccines!! He also said that this is the first community where he's come across people saying no to vaxes...and it must be a BC thing...I said no it's not and I'm happy that so many people are making educated choices these days! Anyway, he certainly seems happy in his "doctor as god" role, and I was about to burst his bubble....well, both of us will be happier when I see someone else! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll">
 

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What an idiot! I would be very mad!<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Exactly, as someone on this board mentioned (I think Applejuice) that they go in, clean the water, clean the people, feed them properly, teach them proper hygeine, shoot em up with vaccines and then the vaccine gets ALL the credit for a lowering disease rate.<br><br>
UGH. People sure can be blind when they want to be.<br><br>
I'm trying to get a list together of no-vax friendly doctors and if I hear of any in your area I will let you know.
 

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My deepest condolences. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"> :LOL
 

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You don't need to put up with this. There are plenty of sane doctors out there, just shop around. My ped is mainstream, but she respects my decisions and doesn't pressure me too much. That doc sounds like a complete nutcase.<br>
Erika<br>
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Ella 7/7/04 -- vaccine free, and 5 months old! It's a miracle! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll">
 

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Desiree...if you find any that would be lovely! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"><br><br>
As for Paula and Erika... :LOL You guys crack me up...thanks for all your support ladies! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Are the majority, or all fillings amalgam?? cause I have lots...and I do eat tuna..about a can every 3-4 weeks...but really, it's scary enough I certainly don't intend to pump her full of more!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"></div>
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All the ugly-looking metallic ones contain mercury -- it's only the white ones that don't. When my (numerous) fillings need replacing, I'll switch over to the white kind, but I'm not going to mess with them otherwise -- they release the most mercury when being placed and removed.<br><br>
About the tuna: yep, I eat it too. Like many things in this world (including vaxes), there are good things about it and bad things; it's up to you to weigh the risks and make a decision for yourself. Since I'm mostly veg, tuna is a good source of protein when I'm sick of tofu and lentils, and besides, I like the taste. Eating it in moderation should be OK, just stick to the chunk light stuff rather than albacore, which has more merc in it.
 

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What a gorgeous little girl!<br><br>
I can sure sympathize with you! DS is skipping his 6 mo checkup because we went through such a bad time arguing with the ped at the 4 mo checkup. It stinks that we can't bring our son in for a normal checkup without being harrassed. Good luck with the Dr hunt!
 

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"What I don't get is why such an intense reaction from the Dr.?? Why can't a parent who makes a decision based on their self education be respected?"<br><br>
I think you already know the answer to these questions. After all the DOCTOR went to school and informed patients threaten his existence as a physician. IMO the more threatened they feel, the more intense their reaction.<br><br>
I've got a miracle baby who's non-vaxxed and 16 months---who should I call?
 

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