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I just wanted to get some thoughts on this...so maybe I'll stop thinking about it.<br><br>
I had a fourth cesarean in Oct. I was attempting a homebirth after three cesareans, but it didn't work out, & now I have <i>major</i> trust issues with any care providers, including midwives. I have been lied to, bullied, & mislead in all my "births", even when I tried extemely hard to find care providers that believed in birth...in the end, I got screwed.<br><br>
Going unassisted sounds wonderful to me....meaning no midwives or Dr's. I do want support though. On the other hand, I do want someone there in case I hemorrhage, or in case I tear, but, like I said, I wouldn't be able to trust that the midwife wasn't just talking the talk, YKWIM?<br><br>
I hope I'm making sense here. I just don't know what I'm going to do. DH & I don't plan on getting pregnant for awhile though, but this is bugging me so much. Also, we plan on moving to Florida next year...and I know how bad the VBAC climate is there.<br><br>
Is it foolish to attempt an UBA4C? Even if I had some knowledgeable support? I just need to talk about this...my cesarean was five months ago, & I'm still upset that I didn't have my HBA3C.<br><br>
Thanks for letting me get this out...
 

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Hi, I couldn't help but reply to your message because I feel your pain, I feel the same pain..I have had 3 cesareans, and trust me i know what you mean..I'm also from florida, miami to be exact and yes you are totally right, the VBAC climate here is 0 to nothing! I wish I could assist you in terms of medical facts and health-wise information but I can't <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> I"m in your shoes, dh and I want to have a 4th eventually and I too wonder how we'll do it..I know it'll have to be unassisted...right now i'm trying to gather as much knowledge as I can from everywhere and hopefully one day feel ready to make a wise decision...sorry if i didn't help much..<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="innocent">
 

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I'm sorry you distrust medical professionals- I probably would too if I were in your shoes.<br><br>
I have no experience with VBACs, but one of the first steps should be to get a copy of your medical records from each of your previous births- the type of incision, the way the surgeon stitches you closed, etc is valuable information.<br><br>
Most importantly- after you research facts (not hysteria about uterine rupture)- do *you* feel comfortable birthing alone. Thats the most important question for anyone considering an unassisted birth, IMO.<br><br>
Best of luck.
 

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Well, there are ways to treat hemoraging or tearing without professional medical help. Would your DH(or DP) be on board to support you? That would probably be best, and in addition or otherwise a female friend or relative maybe? Excess bleeding can be dealt with by breastfeeding/nipple stimulation, various tinctures like shepherd's purse, arnica, or cayenne, or putting a piece of placenta in your mouth and/or eating some. Minor tears don't really need stitches, just cleaning and maybe a product like liquid bandage (or superglue).<br><br>
Real complications might cause a need for transfer, and having had so many previous cesareans puts you a bit more at risk for issues like uterine rupture, cord prolapse, and so on. So you'd need to learn exactly what to look for as signs something like this was happening. The added risk certainly doesn't warrant simply cutting your next baby out without cause though!<br><br>
I'm sorry your experiences made you mistrust all midwives, some are really great but it's so hard to know which ones sometimes. The main reasons I wouldn't have one for my birth are the fact that any added observers/helpers would make me uncomfortable and they'd be superfluous in my opinion.
 

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Thanks Natabimic <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hug2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Hug2"> ...I'm glad to have some understanding!<br><br>
Thanks Erin. Yep, got all my records, actually, i still need to get the RN notes from my last cesarean, thanks for reminding me! I have been researching VBAC's for the past 3 years...I'm actually quite comfortable with the idea of going UC, <i>but</i>, there are still doubts. I wouldn't birth alone...I would have support from wise women.<br><br>
DH is not much support...sorry to say. He does support my choice, but during labor, the guy doesn't have a clue. He's a great guy, but no help...who knows, maybe next time he'll surprise me. But, I'm not holding my breath. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Multiple cesareans does not increase your risk of cord prolapse. Just wanted to point that out. AROM does though! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Thank you...& yes, you are right. You never truely know until you're in labor!<br><br>
I really wish I had a computer & internet access 10 years ago....I probably would of been able to avoid the first cut! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry">
 

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Hugs to you. It's hard to step outside the medical model but if your heart is leading you to ask yourself about freebirthing, go with it. No harm exploring ALL your options, right? A friend of mine had a magnificent UBA2C which has changed her life but I work with women who are really traumatised by poor birth experiences and it takes LOTS of work on that before you can birth again happily IMO. We need to really get to grips with why we made the decisions we made to end up with the births we did. We also need to put that in the context of what constrains those choices - being a hospital, family stuff, lack of support.<br><br>
You don't need to birth alone in a freebirth and there are MANY remedies for most things which aren't quite to plan. There are also hospitals which will accept you in labour if you feel you need surgery. It's much easier to walk into one than leave so save them for emergencies! Sounds like you need some loving care for your soul as you work through these issues. If I lived in the US I'd definitely be thinking freebirth was the only way to go in your oppressive birthing climate. No hospital would deign to give you the basic human right of doing what you want with your own body! Shameful!<br><br>
These stories might inspire you too <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> I love to hear a woman taking back her power. What an amazing role model you are for tackling these issues and starting to work on them. However you decide to proceed with your childbearing career, I hope that you are blessed by the work you're doing. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"><br><br>
Lots of great stories to read, home and hospy. VBA2C, VBA3C, VBA4C<br><a href="http://www.vbac.co.uk/stories/story.php?s=nikki1" target="_blank">http://www.vbac.co.uk/stories/story.php?s=nikki1</a><br><a href="http://www.plus-size-pregnancy.org/CSANDVBAC/VBA2Cstories.htm#Personal%20VBA2C%20Stories" target="_blank">http://www.plus-size-pregnancy.org/C...BA2C%20Stories</a><br><a href="http://www.plus-size-pregnancy.org/CSANDVBAC/VBA2Cstories.htm#Personal%20VBA3C%20Stories" target="_blank">http://www.plus-size-pregnancy.org/C...BA3C%20Stories</a><br><a href="http://www.plus-size-pregnancy.org/CSANDVBAC/VBA2Cstories.htm#Personal%20VBA4C%20Stories" target="_blank">http://www.plus-size-pregnancy.org/C...BA4C%20Stories</a><br><a href="http://www.midwiferytoday.com/enews/enews0603.asp#feed" target="_blank">http://www.midwiferytoday.com/enews/enews0603.asp#feed</a><br><a href="http://members.tripod.com/ppvbac-ivil/vbacbirthstories/id17.html" target="_blank">http://members.tripod.com/ppvbac-ivi...ries/id17.html</a><br><a href="http://www.mother-care.ca/breanna.htm" target="_blank">http://www.mother-care.ca/breanna.htm</a><br><a href="http://pregnancy.about.com/library/stories/blpierce.htm" target="_blank">http://pregnancy.about.com/library/stories/blpierce.htm</a><br><a href="http://www.caesarean.org.uk/birthReports.html#VBAC" target="_blank">http://www.caesarean.org.uk/birthReports.html#VBAC</a>
 

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Didn't Leilah McCracken have several cesareans before finally going on to UC? It's a subscription site, but her story is up on Birthlove.com.
 

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She had one, it was her first or second birth. I think baby #6 was a homebirth w/ mw, and after that one or two more births were UCs. I know she had/has several UCAC stories on her site, including moms who have had multiple c/s. I am pretty sure at cbirth there have been several people who've gone on to UC after two or more c/s.<br><br>
At any rate jackie75, it boils down to what <i>you</i> want, but I believe in you. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"> It sounds like what your future birth(s) need is privacy.
 

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Thanks you guys...I love Kmom's site...I was thrilled to find it when I was questioning a VBA2C. I've been a member of the birthlove site for a couple of years now, & I love it!!<br><br>
Thanks again for the support...<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug">
 

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Just wanted to offer my support.<br><br>
I am 95% committed to having a UBA4C in June. There are just very few options around for women who've had several cesareans.<br><br>
My original thought was to labor here as long as I could, then go to the hospital and refuse a section. Then after a lot of research and thought, I figure why bother going to the hospital at all, why not stay at home and deliver?<br><br>
I am preparing for a UC, and an working through the fears I have about rupture. I would suggest joining the UBAC group on Yahoo..there are a lot of us there.<br><br>
Good luck! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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Thank you Shelley!! I really hope it works out well for you! I can't imagine stepping foot in a hospital again...I thought of doing the same thing, but I really want to give birth at home.<br><br>
It may be a few years anyway...I just wanted to get things settled.
 

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A past president of ICAN had a homebirth after 3C last year. I'm still in touch with her if you want to PM me your email address and I'll pass it on to her.<br><br>
There's another gal I know through the MOMYS list, she might have her testimony listed at <a href="http://www.momys.com" target="_blank">www.momys.com</a>, who had several homebirths after 5 or 6 C's.
 

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You mean Connie? I've spoken with her by email in the past. She's truly an inspiration...I also love the site she has...<i>very</i> informative!<br><br>
Thanks for the link....Wow...I love hearing about these HBAmC stories!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 
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