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I'm RH - and dh is positive. DD was born at home and was negative, but we had a shot on hand incase she was positive. I really don't know if I should try to get the shot this time incase the baby is positive. I know that most rhogam shots are made w/out mercury now even though there are other negative side effects. I'd like to hear some feedback from anyone with experience with this. I'm planning a UC which doesn't really make a difference in getting the shot. I could probably get it from a local natural doc who's an MD. Also, I'll need to test the baby's blood after the birth to find out of it's + or -. Would I just need to get one of those little test sheets and use cord blood? That's what the midwife did the first time. Thanks for the help!
 

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I would also like some info on this one--We are not sure of dh's blood type, I am 0 negative--and I am very undecided about the whole UC or midwife thing at this time. The midwife I had with my last hb, could get the rhogam if we needed it, she assured me, but the baby was born in my past relationship with a Rh negative father so it was moot point. We have tried to get dh's blood typed but his pcp is giving us a runaround--we asked him this week and he said he didn't have it even though dh was hospitalized a while ago. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"><br><br>
Dh "thinks" he is Rh- but is not sure....any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
 

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I'm also Neg, Dh is Pos - as luck would have it I have two Neg children. (my midwife said that is unusual)<br>
I'm aranging to get some Rhogam ready, the midwife will I believe use cord blood to test (cord blood was used the last time) and I think I'll have 48 hours to get the shot, if I need to.<br><br>
Brave of you to UC......... I'm going for an HBAC (thats as brave as I get!)
 

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I know that Mango Mama had stuff about this on her web site (she had a UC w/your situation) and I think her site is still up somewhere. She *I believe* had a shot on hand, not sure how she got it, but didn't use it. I will try to find her site later and post it if I do. HTH
 

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I am Rh- and my partner is Rh+. Our daughter is Rh-. I don't think I want the shot next time even if my next child is Rh+. Yes, to test the baby's blood after the birth, you just get an Eldon card and use the cord blood. And you don't have the cut the cord early or anything. There is still plenty of blood left in the cord even if you wait until it has completely finished pulsating.
 

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Devrock-I'm interested in your reasons for not wanting the shot next time. I'm trying to get as many opinions on it as possible. What would you do if you didn't do the shot? I'm not sure I want another child yet anyway, but I'm concerned about the risk of the antibodies crossing over. DH's grandmother had 2 very sick babies because she was rh- and they were positive. It was before the shot and one almost died, they changed out his blood???? That was dh's father. The other 1 were premature. I've heard that the antibodies won't cross during the 3rd stage of labor if the mother isn't messed with. I haven't found the research myself. This is such a difficult thing to decide on. Most people just opt for the shot, but I have to make an informed choice. Just don't know where to start.
 

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I meant another child after the one I will be having in April. Realized that sounded a bit like I wasn't sure about this one! I am!!! I'm concerned if this baby turns out to be + and I get pregnant after that!
 

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for BigBelly03 - have your DH go to the Red Cross to give blood. They will type it & he will get that info on his donor card. Of course, if he's scared of needles like my DH, then you're out of luck there.<br><br>
Blood typing is pretty expensive & most care providers won't do it unless medically necessary. (this info from my midwife)<br><br>
My mom is a hematologist/med tech and would've typed my DH's blood for us, but we never remembered to do it while visiting her. I just opted for the Rhogam as long as I was able to get it w/o the Thimerosal. A good thing, in my mind, since DD is RH+.
 

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My MW has a very different opinion of the need of RhoGam. She researched it a lot and followed the advice of so many people. She's been delivering babies for 23 or 24 years now and none of the women who have used her have been sensitized. That said, she's only given RhoGam to one woman who requested it. What she does for Rh- women and their Rh+ partners is to leave them alone more. When the baby is born, she's patient for the placenta to come out. She doesn't ever clamp or cut the cord until the placenta is delivered. There are a few other things she said she never does with Rh- moms. I can't remember at this moment.<br><br>
The Jehovah's Witness community in our state really likes her a lot, because even the Rh- moms can have a lot of babies if they want to. Of all the mothers who delivered with her, they've all gone on to have healthy pregnancies without sensitization being a factor.<br><br>
I'm B- and my husband is B+. We decided that unless the birth was an unexpected bloody mess, we were not going to use RhoGam -- no matter what the Eldon card said. Needless to say my son's birth was beautiful and uneventful for the most part. (One more thing about the Eldon card -- they're not 100% accurate for detecting actual blood type or for Rh factor) My son's cord blood was used (after it stopped pulsing) and he was found on the Eldon card to have A- blood. We didn't know whether or not to believe the - considering, we don't think it's possible for him to have A type blood. But, even if the Eldon said he had B+ we still wouldn't have had RhoGam. I would have, however, had RhoGam if I was in a traffic accident while pregnant and there was bleeding. I think I would anyway.<br><br>
That said, I know not everyone is comfortable doing that. You can go to your local emergency room within 24 hours of giving birth and ask for a shot of RhoGam (thimersoral free, please.) and they are required to give it to you. RhoGam is a blood product and you should ask for the maker's info and vile code so you can track it if your particular batch is recalled or you find something later. I know there are a lot of ethical concerns over the harvesting of the blood used for RhoGam. But, that's another topic, entirely.<br><br>
Also, I don't think that the medical standard of RhoGam at 24 weeks gestation is a good idea either. With all the RhoGam use, mainstream medical practices are still seeing a rise in Rh sensitivity and also type incompatiability dispite using RhoGam at least twice during pregnancy and post-labor. Could it possibly be connected to inventions, clamping the cord really soon, cutting the cord before the placenta is born or anything that UC typically avoids???
 

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FYI: The Eldon card is notoriously inaccurate.<br><br>
Here is some information about the rh factor and how it can affect your future babies. I am not having the shot this time because I know I am not having any more babies, if I were I would definitely get the shot. Short of faith-based reasons, IMO, there are too many risks associated with sensitization to justify not getting the shot.<br><br><a href="http://www.thebirthsource.homestead.com/rh.html" target="_blank">http://www.thebirthsource.homestead.com/rh.html</a><br><br>
I do agree that prophylactic RhoGam is usually not warranted.<br><br>
Amy
 

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just found Mango Mama's site, she's offline now but you can order her site on e-book for 5 dollars if you're interested. Might be interesting to you since she UC'd. I just did a search for mango mama and the site is like "waldorfdolls" something. HTH.
 

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What's interesting to me is that if the Eldon card is highly inaccurate, then dd may not be A-? If she was + and I didn't know it, then sensitization may have occured because the MW pulled on the placenta and I had a very interventive 3rd stage. I guess there's really know way to know if she really is + or -. She had blood drawn once at her pp ped visit. The only time we went. The blood was drawn for the test that I can't think of right now. I'm going to call them and find out if they have her blood type. I'll feel better if they have her listed as -.<br><br>
I saw that Mango Mama's site was off too. I've read part of it before, but I'll probably download the book. Thanks for looking it up for me!
 

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Mostly because it's an unknown. I simply don't know what the risks of the shot are. I'm very nervous about injecting foreign substances into my bloodstream. When I can't find sufficient information to determine whether intervention or nature is riskier, I tend to side with nature by default. I'm simply more comfortable accepting the risks of nature than the risks of medical intervention. I trust nature more than I trust medical intervention.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;"><i>Originally posted by mum2lillie</i><br><b>What would you do if you didn't do the shot?</b></td>
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I'm not sure what you mean by this question.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;"><i>Originally posted by mum2lillie</i><br><b>I'm concerned about the risk of the antibodies crossing over. DH's grandmother had 2 very sick babies because she was rh- and they were positive. It was before the shot and one almost died, they changed out his blood???? That was dh's father. The other 1 were premature. I've heard that the antibodies won't cross during the 3rd stage of labor if the mother isn't messed with.</b></td>
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The placenta is designed to keep the mother's and the baby's blood separate. It is very rare for the blood to mix. Most of the time, when the blood does cross over, it is because of some stupid doctor yanking on the cord or some such thing. I don't think there's much risk with a gentle home birth. Don't quote me on this, but I think even when the blood does mix, it doesn't always necessarily cause problems?
 

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Thanks for your answers Devrock. I agree with what you said.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Most of the time, when the blood does cross over, it is because of some stupid doctor yanking on the cord or some such thing.</td>
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Or a midwife...it happened to me at home. I was about 5-10 minutes post partum and was bleeding so the MW had me squat and she pulled the placenta.<br><br>
I called dd's old ped and they have no records of her blood type so I'm just hoping that the Eldon card was right in that circumstance and that she is A- as opposed to +.<br><br>
Thanks for all of the replies so far. It's been very helpful.
 

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mum2lilie, if you're really concerned about being sensitized there are two things to do 1. Have your daughter's blood drawn (takes like 2-3 vials!!!) to be tested for Blood type. or the nicer alternative you can 2. have your blood drawn and tested for sensitization (takes 1 vial). I'd do #2 if you're really concerned.<br><br>
Hopefully the Eldon is correct as can be in your case. And, it could really be, you know. Don't spend a moment worrying though. Just go get tested if it's a big concern. And, Grrrrrr to your MW. And, YAY for UC.
 

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I agree with Sparklin about not getting the shot. I am neg. dh is positive. dd#1 is pos. dd#2 neg. This 3rd- due Dec.1 . I am not going to get a shot unless there is a medical emergency; accident or emergency c-sec. I plan on delivering at home. My mw recommends the shot but cannot supply it. I asked why she recommends it. She said just in case. I asked if there are no interventions then is it really necessary and she said no. That said I did do research and there is a lot of info on why not to get it (some of it is scare tactics) but there are a lot of good points as to why one should. This is something that is basically a personal choice and you should be willing to deal with any consequences. Also I believe you have 72 hours to receive the shot after birth. Just to let you know we are open to more children so that is not a factor to decide to not get it<br>
I also read that if your DU is positive you don't need the shot even if you are negative. I am not sure what the DU factor is but my bloodwork showed that I am DU neg.
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;"><i>Originally posted by Devrock</i><br><b>I am Rh- and my partner is Rh+. Our daughter is Rh-. I don't think I want the shot next time even if my next child is Rh+. Yes, to test the baby's blood after the birth, you just get an Eldon card and use the cord blood. And you don't have the cut the cord early or anything. There is still plenty of blood left in the cord even if you wait until it has completely finished pulsating.</b></td>
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Okay, where does one get an Eldon card<br>
and what about a lotus birth-is that then ruled out if the baby's type is in question???
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;"><i>Originally posted by BigBelly03</i><br><b>Okay, where does one get an Eldon card</b></td>
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<a href="http://www.birthwithlove.com/categories/itempage.asp?prodid=Eldon+Card" target="_blank">http://www.birthwithlove.com/categor...did=Eldon+Card</a><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;"><i>Originally posted by BigBelly03</i><br><b>and what about a lotus birth-is that then ruled out if the baby's type is in question???</b></td>
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That's a very good question.
 

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I've decided for my own peace of mind, since I can't be sure about dd's blood type now, to get my blood checked for sensitization. I'm not sure what it would mean if there was sensitization for this pregnancy.<br><br>
I know that I'll be left alone during the 3rd stage of this labor, so I don't think I'll plan on getting the shot. I do not feel instinctively that anything is wrong so I'm not going to get worked up about this. It's just something I want to be educated about and have some idea of what's going on. I thought I did until I realized that the Eldon cards aren't always accurate and now I semi-doubt dd's blood type. I'm sure I wouldn't be concerned if the placenta hadn't been pulled out after her birth and I hadn't hemmoraged.<br><br>
I'm not going to poke her though. She's only been pricked once and that was for the PKU which we won't be doing again for future babies.
 

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mum2lillie -- This sounds like a wise decision. Really any decision that is guided by your heart usually is! I think it's smart to have you bleed instead of your DD. It only makes sense. And, it is a LOT of blood for a little girl. She'd need to give quite a bit of it just to test. And, like you said, hopefully all is good, but to ease worry, it's always best IMO to deal with it & get it out of the way. Wishing you a peaceful uneventful pregnancy.<br><br>
Also, with sensitization, there are different levels of severity. So, some sensitization doesn't immediately equal miscarriage.<br><br>
Big Belly03, you might want to post your question in its own thread -- Lotus Birth & Eldon Cards. You'll probably get a more in depth response. Wishing you a sticky sweet baby! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/sticky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="sticky">
 
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