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I'm curious if anyone has ever had a UC resulting in a child with some kind of anomaly. In my mind, I'm thinking Down's, spinabifida, etc... though I'd be interested in eharing about any kind of "surprise" condition.<br><br>
Its been on my mind lately, as I wind down into the last few weeks before labor with this pregnancy. My mother planted the seed of doubt in my mind way back when I told her we weren't having an ultrasound... and I guess its sneaking back into my brain again.
 

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I've known the opposite of people told their children had abnormalities from the u/s and then at birth.... oops. My friend was told by two seperate u/s that her child had severe hydrocephalis and had to be taken by emerg. c section and shunted ASAP...baby taken at 8 months old..... oops she was fine. and they prepared her for a very handicapped child she's so smart its scary!<br><br>
My best friend recently gave birth to a child that was told with no less than 5 u/s that she was having a boy (and placenta covering the cervix and would have to have a c/s) .... well she had a beautiful girl naturally with no penis magic disappearing penis. a baby girl born into a world with all baby blue clothing.....<br><br>
u/s can tell some abnormalities ut I've also known friends to have u/s and their children be born with minor issues that could not have been picked up or were missed. <span>Its a 'test' after all not a proof <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"></span> I have malformed kidneys you'd be amazed at what my u/s guy says is there vs a ct scan... they can also pick up abnomalities that aren't really big deals my aunt has two uereters (sp?) the tubes that go from kidneys to bladder - two on each kidney....<br><br>
but ultimately our mother's didn't have ultrasounds.<br>
I think if I was a high risk for something I might request more than the one we get up here if we want it for a normal pregnancy, my friends in the USA they dish them out like party favours.<br>
Doctors have them in the office......
 

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My son died of bilateral renal agenesis (no kidneys). But I felt something was wrong very early on. I had the chance to do an ultrasound, but I didn't - because I didn't want to be told he'd die and bullied into an abortion (don't say it doesn't happen: because it DOES. Even the nurses who were around me the night my son died were heard to say, "If she'd only had an abortion she could have avoided all this pain"). Instead I had a peaceful, wonderful, absolutely 100% perfect unassisted pregnancy experience. I really did feel like I'd transcended. It was quite amazing.<br>
I ended up going into preterm labour (34 weeks) just a hair shy of when I'm comfortable delivering alone at home. I'd also had dreams where he told me to go to the hospital with him. I ended up going, and after some trauma was given an "emergency c-section" (read: for no good reason). While I did not get to see him before he died, he was able to pass peacefully without tubes or drugs in my husband's arms with friends and family around him.<br><br>
As much as I'd love to say that "if we'd UC'd..." it would have been this ideal crossing at home, romantic in front of a fireplace, that's not how it would have happened. He would have been born and I'd have spent his entire short life desperately trying to save him while 911 workers arrived and eventually carted him off, where he probably would have died en route.<br>
While I do regret the c-section, I don't regret listening to what he told me in my dreams.<br>
However, I would prefer to have a stillbirth at home
 

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That poses another thought that I have had recently. What are the legal reprocussions of having a stillbirth in a uc? Can anything be done? What do you do at that point? Do you have to report it or can you just have a funeral? Any input would be helpful.
 

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If the stillbirth has already been diagnosed as such, then no, you shouldn't have any problems. (IE. you knew baby had died, went in and had it confirmed, then had the baby at home)<br><br>
If the baby died *during* birth the coroner is required to do an investigation, this is the same for hospital births as well. I had a call from the coroner several weeks after my son's death. She explained that they have to investigate the caregivers present, it's standard. Even in the case of a fatal birth defect.<br><br>
I believe, by law, you have to report any birth (alive or dead) past 22 weeks gestation and file for a birth and/or death certificate.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I had the chance to do an ultrasound, but I didn't - because I didn't want to be told he'd die and bullied into an abortion (don't say it doesn't happen: because it DOES. Even the nurses who were around me the night my son died were heard to say, "If she'd only had an abortion she could have avoided all this pain").</div>
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This is VERY true. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> I know of several women who have had PPROM in the 2nd trimester (like 16 weeks or so), and their OBs tried to talk them into abortion. Some went ahead with it and later regretted it after realizing that there *was* a small chance of survival, even if it was admittedly very small. Some went on to lose their babies later in the third trimester (even going to 37 weeks and the baby's lungs just weren't developed enough to survive - you don't know until they get into the outside world whether the lungs are developed or not - that happens between 18-22 weeks, and requires some amniotic fluid). Others told their doctors they would NOT abort, and they went on to have their babies at or close to term. Some of those babies have some developmental issues, and some were born with no problems and were able to go home right away or go home healthy after a NICU stay. But the fact that the doctors had pretty much told them there was no hope and they *should* abort... it's just sickening. Give the woman the facts and let her choose whether to risk continuing the pregnancy (there is risk of maternal infection, plus the mom pretty much has to be on strict bedrest for months, etc.).<br><br>
And the pain is not any less if you abort - you're still losing a beloved child! I've not seen it be any easier for the women who believed their doctors and went along with the abortion prior to 20 weeks or so, compared to the women who went to 37 weeks and ended up with a baby who just couldn't survive. They ALL experienced a horrific loss. And I think the ones who aborted and later saw some of the success stories probably grieve even harder because they didn't know there was a choice and that their babies might have had a chance at survival. So then they feel more guilty than the women who did everything they could and baby just still didn't make it.
 

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boscopup - I totally agree with everything you've said.<br>
After my son died I met someone whose child had the same thing, except everyone around her said, "Don't be a martyr, you don't want him to suffer, do you?" That's the magic phrase, "don't want them to suffer" - because it's assumed that a child born with a birth defect is "suffering". She aborted and it was a dreadful experience, people treated her like she just had a tumor removed and should just go on with life now. As if it wasn't hard at all! <i>"Okay, we're done here - go home now."</i>
 

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I have had an abortion. I can attest that you would not have saved yourself a speck of pain, and now you don't have to say "what if". I cannot believe people actually SAID that to you! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/gloomy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gloomy">:
 

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A UC wouldn't RESULT is a child with abnormalities not compatable with life outside the womb...but UC would be the preferred way to bring such a child to life for me.
 

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I think you would intuitively know something was wrong. My dear friend was planning UC with her second child, and in the last weeks began having hospital dreams. When she felt the first rushes, she could think of nothing but getting to the hospital. They did a scan there in the labor room she was put in a found spina bifida. The baby had a open spine covered only by thin tissue/membrane. So they did an emergency C-section and (although she got told over and over how "lucky you are you didn't give birth at home") it was clear that had the baby passed through the vagina that membrane would have torn and baby would have died or had even more paralysis. I don't say this to scare you.......I think it is powerful that mother's intuition is so intact. She was not "lucky." She was listening to herself and to her baby. By the way, her baby girl is now an active three year old working hard to walk with braces on her legs.<br><br>
My cousin had an abortion two years ago-elective at 8 weeks and not for any defects-and she still cries for that baby. She was told it was a mass of cells but has since discovered it had a heartbeat. Not exactly the easy way out! She feels betrayed by the medical profession for those lies. I have turned her on to the aspects of homebirth/UC. I had a baby by at 25 weeks with bilateral renal agenesis-no kidneys. He was born vaginally in a hospital. They all respected my desire to go natural-with as few "spectators" as possible and have every moment with him God allowed. I held him and looked into his eyes as he passed. DH and I recall it as the most spiritual event in our lives. I feel blessed for the 12 minutes he lived. Afterward I got up, bathed him in the bathroom sink, dressed him in the outfit DH picked out and kept him with us for the next hour. They did have to take him to the medical examiner or whoever, and we went on planning his funeral. I would feel robbed had I aborted. I remember his gaze, warm body, and got to say I love you. Had I aborted his last memory would have been cold steel instruments and pain. Not trying to depress anyone, but this is good reason to listen to your body rather than external sources.
 
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