[Tummy]

Please excuse this, my mind is running, rambeling, whatever... Mother needs help, just try to read and understand.. I will come back when I have gathered my thoughs.. she will be back online tonight.. net is down for her right now.. but we need to get her some feedback/support going now.
Thanks everyone!!!

Hi everyone.

I am posting for a gf of mine (MDC and IRL friend). She has a 12 month old baby that need serious dental work.

-baby has rotted teeth, teeth came in rotted. (family history of bad teeth)

-EBF for the past 12 months. (cares not to eat people food)

-On medicaid

-baby has had swollen upper lip that I believe was an infection from his teeth (treated with homeopathic)

She took him to the dentist months ago and he told her to stop night nursing that was what was causing her babys teeth to 'grow in rotted'.

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Again went to the same dentist last week... babys teeth are so bad that the front ones are rotted to the gums.

I have seen this mama try to nurse and it broke my heart. She cringes when he latches on due to the pain he inflicts on the nipple with his jagged teeth.
She did not tell the dentist that the baby is EBF (I told her it would not be a good idea considering that the asshat told her to stop night nursing and that was why his teeth were growing in bad).

The dentist told her the babys teeth were so bad cause she lets him walk around with a cup of juice all day long... asshat again... she does not! Boobie baby 100%

She has an appointment to take the baby back and have 4 of his front teeth pulled.
Before anyone tries to go on and on about not pulling them.. it is to the point they NEED to be pulled. This baby does not have any intrest in food...not that is a bad thing, or something to worry over...
I have had bad teeth and I know how hard it is and how much it hurts to eat food.
Nice warm milk from the tap is his choice of foods.

Anyway, this dentist wants mom to sign a waver saying she is okay with and understands that they will be 'restraining' the baby.. STRAPING HIM DOWN TO THE CHAIR.. keep in mind he is 12 months old!!!
They will not use general but only use 'laughing gas' and a local shot to numb him.

When she told me this, I about puked!!!
Strap this baby down and force him to be held down while he has 4 teeth pulled

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Other choice she has is to take her son 6 hours north of us to the hosp in Gainsville and have them extracted at the ER under a general.

Her delima... allow baby to be straped down, laughed up, shot up, and pulled.. worried about him remembering this...

or...

Take him to Gainsville to have them extracted while he is asleep.

Feedback is something this mama needs.. NO FLAMING OF ANY SORT PLEASE!

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This is a hard decision she has to make for her baby. And she needs support!!!

 

[hawkfeather]

before she does anything else I would go to ANOTHER dentist for another opinion.. you are right this guy sounds like a twit..

why trust him with such a vital experince?

 

[Rhiannon Feimorgan]

I have no experiance with this sort of thing but I know some dentists will let you sit on the chair and hold your baby for checkups. I wonder if she could do that. It still will probably be an unpleasant experiance for the pour little baby but I think mama's arms are better than being strapped down. I worry about putting kids under with a general when they are that little.

 

[Tummy]

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Originally Posted by hawkfeather before she does anything else I would go to ANOTHER dentist for another opinion.. you are right this guy sounds like a twit.. why trust him with such a vital experince?

Perhaps I should have added.. on top of the State Dental Insurance.. there is NOT ONE dentis in our area that will see this baby.. she drove 2 hours north to see this 'twit'

besides the fact it took 2 months to get an appointment with this dentist

 

[kymholly]

My first suggestion would be to get a second opinion.

If that is not possible, then I would strongly suggest that she go with the ER far away. There is no way that I would subject a baby to that kind of torture.

No wonder so many people hate dentists, that one sound like a real piece of work. I would travel as far as possible to get the heck away from him.

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[lasciate]

Take him to a different dentist, and have whatever needs doing done under general anesthesia. Poor guy

My BIL had *no* enamel on his baby teeth and has a serious aversion to dentists thanks to bad experiences. Luckily his adult teeth are normal.

 

[Tummy]

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Originally Posted by Rhiannon Feimorgan I have no experiance with this sort of thing but I know some dentists will let you sit on the chair and hold your baby for checkups. I wonder if she could do that. It still will probably be an unpleasant experiance for the pour little baby but I think mama's arms are better than being strapped down. I worry about putting kids under with a general when they are that little.

Not allowed to even go back with your child if they are having their teeth cleaned.
She got to go back with the baby cause he is so small.. the dentist threw a fit and did not want to see him until he was 18 months old... well, he seen him the first time when he was .... erhrhrrh.... 4-6 months I believe.

He will NOT let her go back with the baby, hand him over at the door and we will bring him out when we are done kinda deal.

I totally agree about the general.. but weighing the both of them.. straped to a chair or general????

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[Clarinet]

Wow. If those are my only options, I would choose total knockout.

 

[paquerette]

Really makes you wonder how many child molestors decide to become dentists to have access to victims.

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I would go see someone else, and also agree that anything done should be done under general. Borrow money, get a loan, whatever you gotta do.

 

[Tummy]

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On the phone with mama now.. she is upset, and scared.. this is a hard decision and she pretty much knows what SHE thinks is best with her baby... but still hard decision and the feedback and support is so needed.

Her hubby is working on the net now..

 

[henhao]

I would get a second opinion no matter what. Put it on someone's VISA. Get a fundraiser together to get the $$. I'd be willing to put something towards this...I don't know. Going to this joker sounds like bad news.

 

[flapjack]

General. She needs someone there for her while they do it though: my 2yo had something removed from his nose under general and watching him go to sleep and having to walk away was the hardest thing I've ever had to do.

 

[CrazyRED]

We went through this with my DD when she was 14 months old. Except they wanted to crown the teeth, not extract them. We were given the choice of strap her down or general anesthesia. I was leary of the general, but that is what we did after the dentist showed us the board that they strap them to.

I was also told that her decay was caused by night nursing blah, blah, blah. And that weaning immediately was the ONLY way to save her teeth. Well we had a bad dentist (I won't go into that right now) and the 4 crowns that were placed have since fallen off. I am still nursing and guess what, her teeth aren't much worse. Sometime you just get bad teeth, KWIM?

Anyway I know that this is a hard thing for a mama to do. I was scared to death, but I requested a meeting with the anesthesiologist and the entire nursing staff that would be working with my DD. I made my wishes very clear that I wanted to be with her until she fell asleep, and that I wanted to be back with her before she woke up. I was able to do this.

DD recovered fine from the general, but I was told NOT to nurse her for 24 hours after she came out. It was because of the crowns and the suction. But I am wondering if that might not be the case with extractions as well. I have had teeth pulled and was told not to use a straw.

My best advice is, if you don't trust your dentist, find one that you do. Ask LOTS of questions and write them down as they come to you so you don't forget. And if they don't like the questions, find another dentist. If at all possible go in ahead of time to meet the staff where the procedure will be done.

I know that this sucks. We have to go in again when DD is 2 and have something done. I am not looking forward to it.

Everything will be ok. It is just so frustrating when one of your children has to go through this.

PM me if you want to talk.

 

[Tummy]

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Originally Posted by boongirl Maybe she can get a room at the Ronald Mc house or some other stayover place for free near the hospital and she won't have to worry about doing it all in one day. And, she can start afresh with a new dentist. She should start a discussion first with that dentist about how she is exclusively breastfeeding, plans on doing so, and does not appreciate implications that this teeth problem are from juice or night nursing as she does not give juice and night nursing does not cause tooth decay.

How does this work.. she wants to get this done asap, going to use up house bill money to rent a car and drive the 6 hours.

I am sure there are other options as far as getting there and being there for the surgery... but what are they, where do we find them.

I do not want to see her spend house/bill $ and not have it when she needs it if there are other options.... kwim?

 

[CrazyRED]

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Originally Posted by paquerette Really makes you wonder how many child molestors decide to become dentists to have access to victims. :

That's exactly what this mama needs hear right now.

 

[Tummy]

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Originally Posted by CrazyRED We went through this with my DD when she was 14 months old. Except they wanted to crown the teeth, not extract them. PM me if you want to talk.

Thank you RED.

I wish this was the case.. but there is NO TEETH left to crown.. this babys teeth are rotted to the gums

It sucks, and My heart hurts for her..

Gods, being an Empath is hard work and SUCKS!

 

[CrazyRED]

Well either way we went through the general and the scare of a dentist wanting to do a drastic procedure to our DD. They had to grind her teeth and did 4 root canals before they placed the crowns. I think I would have rather had them extracted, KWIM. I'll will be happy to give any support she needs.

 

[<<<Scarlet>>>]

Okay, so my net is up and running......
I know he needs them pulled asap.
They are truely to the gum. I made the appt with them when they werent nearly as bad but it takes over a month to be seen.
The other dentist that takes medicaid is in gainsville. And its a drive. The waiting list is 1.5 months, THEN they see him.... Then a month later they do the surgery under GA....
This crazy dentist wants his partner in the practice to do it. The woman on the phone told me that I have to sign a waiver to allow them to use a papoose to restrain him.... she told me 3 times... Then she stressed to me that under no circumstances would I be allowed in the room. SHe told me that the mothers can't handle it....
I totally get it. it needs to be done. but I just can't handle the thought of handing my baby over to have his gums cut open to extract teeth, and he's awake the whole time. It feels like a total assult on my son.

My only option is to drive to this ER. They are the same group in gainsville that can see us in 1.5 months, but if we go, we have to go to the hospital where they are on call 24/7, and it has concidered an emergency by the dentist.

I know what I'm gunna do, I'm gunna make the drive and hope they will pull them.... I'm scared that I'll get there and they tell me no.

if they don't I will make an appt with them for their soonest appt.
In the mean time if his gums start to abcess (the biggest concern here) I can walk into the ER and have them pulled.
If they appt comes and theres no infection they will see how bad it is... (I can only imagine what it will look like in a month) and should schedule the surgery to remove them under GA....

I'm glad to see that I'm not crazy for not "following doctors orders"

 

[hawkfeather]

i would highly suggest double checkgin every dentist and lettign them know it is an emergency.. is there nto nurding freidnly dentist resources? man i wish there were.

I am blessed my kids have a dentist who uses homeopathics and is gentle and loving.. my five year old has bad teeth and will be sedated in spetember to have 10 teeth fixed. i really do recomend trying to speak to other dentists.. sometimes policies and wait lists can be delt with in a crisis.

 

[<<<Scarlet>>>]

Thanks Tummy for everything !!!!!!!!!!!!!