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I have been looking for good referral to midwives in overlake hospital with no success and would appreciate much for your referral especially based on your own experiences.<br><br>
Dr Heather Moore at overlake was previously recommended by other mothers and I will certainly add her into my consideration. But I heard that midwife is different from OB in the way that midwife is usually very patient, caring, thoughtful and supportive. Midwife doesn’t make you wait for hours to see her and give you only 10 minutes to talk with her. For me these qualities are very important.<br><br>
Many midwife related thread recommended Puget Sound Birth Center or Evergreen midwives, but PSBC doesn’t provide epidural at all, even if just in case I need it. And Evergreen is too far from me.<br><br>
I would really appreciate for your referral to midwives in overlake hospital. Thanks in advance!!
 

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Evergreen is the same distance from you as PSBC, and you can transfer there from PSBC if you decide you need pain relief. If you wish to have a NCB, I would HIGHLY recommend hiring a doula, ESPECIALLY if you are going to have a birth at a hospital, and especially at overlake which has a super high c/s rate.<br><br>
I don't know the name, I'll have to ask, but one of the mommies in my playgroup has a friend who is a MW at Overlake, I'll point her here.
 

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Thanks so much Dahlia.<br><br>
I did hear overlake has higher cs rate but I thought they wouldn't force me to get cs if I don't want to. Is it not true? Why do they have super high cs rate? Just curious.
 

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Judging from what I've heard from clients (I'm a postpartum doula), I would *not* go to Overlake if you want a natural childbirth. They are much less supportive than at Evergreen. I would at least tour PSBC before you make any decisions, but you can have a very nice birth at Evergreen (or UW, but that might really be too far for you) if you want a hospital setting.<br><br>
As for whether they can "force" you --just read around the site here before you make decisions about where to birth. They cannot legally force you, but there are plenty of ways you could end up with a c/s without them tying you down. Another source of information would be the books "Pushed" or "Born in the USA".<br><br>
Good luck finding a situation that works for you.
 

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My neighbor raves about Dr. Paley at Overlake. I didn't see much to rave about him, but she LOVES him and highly recommends him.
 

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Erin Swanda at Overlake OB/GYN is wonderful, and working hard to turn around Overlake's reputation. When is your birth?
 

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I'd assume part of it is the attitude of the doctors in general there (not all, but quite a few) and probably the interventions they will push on you (iv, pitocin, purple pushing, etc).<br><br>
Out of curiousity, have you looked into local childbirth classes. They can help a TON in preperation for labor. I took classes from Liz for my 2nd birth and learned WAY more than I ever knew even after giving birth the first time and having the hospital classes. My first birth was at Evergreen, my 2nd at home. 2nd was much better, fwiw. Anyways, if you're interested I cannot recommend her or her classes enough. <a href="http://www.birthzone.com/" target="_blank">http://www.birthzone.com/</a>
 

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Thank you all for your reply. I really appreciate it.<br><br>
Janaya,<br>
Does Dr Erin Swanda support natural birth? Could you please give more details about your experience with her that makes you feel she is wonderful?<br><br>
My due date is Oct 23rd.<br><br>
Thanks!!
 

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I have a friend who had a good experience (natural birth) with Peggy Kibble (midwife at Overlake). I met with her and liked her a lot (just chose to go out of hospital).<br><br>
I agree with the previous posters about exploring your options and getting a doula if you choose in-hospital (or even if you don't!). The hard part is, even if your midwife or OB is very pro-natural-birth, they have to "play by the hospital rules" whether they agree with them or not. And often those have strict timelines that lead down the pitocin-epidural-c.section route.<br><br>
You can always transfer from PSBC to a hospital if you end up needing the epidural!
 

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Let me just say that I'm totally biased - I've attended births at both hospitals and far prefer Evergreen. Overlake has a terrible (and justly so) reputation...from the nurses, to the Drs, to the MW's. I would never have a baby there, or let my sister or friend have a baby there.<br><br>
Dr. Paley - He recommended me for a very invasive surgery, and has a really busy practice. I didn't get a great feeling from him.<br><br>
MW Peggy - Both friends I know who used her had preventable C/S. Anecdotal, I know, but still.<br><br>
If I were you I'd look at the CNM group who delivers at Evergreen. I promise, it's not too far!
 

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Thank you all for your insight and advice.<br><br>
I don't want to risk the chance of getting unnessary c-section so<br>
I checked out PSBC and met with Valarie at PSBC and just loved everything there so far. I have decided that PSBC is the best for me.<br><br>
Thanks so much to you all !!
 

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I don't want to risk the chance of getting unnessary c-section so<br>
I checked out PSBC and met with Valarie at PSBC and just loved everything there so far. I have decided that PSBC is the best for me.<br><br>
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Yay! I think you are going to be very happy with your decision.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Thank you all for your reply. I really appreciate it.<br><br>
Janaya,<br>
Does Dr Erin Swanda support natural birth? Could you please give more details about your experience with her that makes you feel she is wonderful?<br><br>
My due date is Oct 23rd.<br><br>
Thanks!!</div>
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Sorry I didn't respond earlier. I know you've already made a decision and I feel confident it's a great one.<br><br>
Erin is one of my best friends. We went to high school together. She schooled me from a young age about the benefits of natural birth and had her own (at Evergreen) last year. She attended home births in her education at OHSU and was supposed to be at mine as a "doula," but it happened too fast. She really is a great care provider.
 

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I'm glad you made a choice you are happy with!<br><br>
I'm sorry I didn't see this thread earlier, but I have to respond, too, just because I love Heather Moore and have to vouch for her <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"> even thought I'm not a big fan of Overlake.<br><br>
I had my first with Heather Moore at Overlake, and I have to say she was fantastic. The most "midwife-esque" Ob I will probably ever have the pleasure of working with. My labor lasted 30 hours. She made sure that the staff never once offered me drugs as was my instruction. She "let" me push for 4 hours without the pressure for a c-section. In the end, due to a huge baby and some serious mis-positioning (even though I did all my optimum fetal positioning stuff, darn it) we decided upon the use of forceps. To me, they were the "big bad no-no", dangerous and all that, but she was so skilled and gentle, my son never had a mark on him. Afterwards I had several staff members tell me that I was lucky to have her as an ob as any of the other obs at Overlake would have given me a c-section or used a vacuum, and she is one of the only Obs who has really learned the skill of forceps when they're needed. She refuses to use vacuums or perform episiotimies.<br><br>
She was really supportive of us not circumcising, of natural child birth, of breastfeeding, was a great listener, and I would highly recommend her to anyone. I do agree with all the pp's statement about Overlake, though. I thought they sucked on a few levels and would totally choose Evergreen or the birth center up there if we still lived in the area.<br><br>
Good luck with your birth!
 

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Heather Moore is my doc as well. Unfortunately , I went into labor on a monday morning and she was on call doc for the weekend. So when i arrived in the hospital around 5.30m she was ready to go out. However she broke my water( i was 3 cm dilated). She also nudged DD's hand from her head( dd had a nuchal hand) and left for the day. However DD;s hand went back to her head and the doctor ( Dr.Nudelman) who was on call that day told me that he wouldnt deliver a nuchal hand( too much risk etc), so i ended up with a c-section.<br>
Its good that u r going ahead with PSBC because IME u never know what can happen in a hospital. Dr. Moore doesnt enforce anything, but I think if she would have been there with me that day i wouldnt have a c-section.Having said that i cant expect her to stay with me after working all weekend. So, really better to stay away from the hospital and try it out with proper midwives. Thats what i am planning for next our next child provided no major risks.And also, Dr.Moore is active with PEPS group and does attachment style parenting. She told me about no-cry sleep solution so some more bonus points for her.I guess she really might be a more midwifey OB out there.
 

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I think most OBs DON'T do c/s for a nuchal hand. That's so rediculous (and a sign of a cut happy doctor, IMO)! My sister delievered her second DD, with a nuchal hand, at PSBC. Obviously nuchal hands aren't that risky, or it'd be a reason required for a hospital transfer, kwim?
 

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yep..I am coming to know more about this after visiting and reading more on mothering. But, at that time you know the whole thing becomes scary. Especially the hospital environment with the heart rate constantly beating and the contraction monitor , all the wires add up to so much drama and make us think more like some research scientists ourselves.<br>
I also read in the birth forum about a nurse asking about nuchal hands and that all nuchal hand cases received c-section as per hospital policies or something though i dont know which city that nurse was from.So, i guess some docs are doing this. But, i give credit to dr. moore to atleast nudge dd's hand to the correct position and not immediately declaring a c-section case for the 1/2 hour she was with us. Only if she was there with us things might have been different. who know Anyways..alls fine now , i liked my overall expereince at overlake, the nurses were great and staff was just gr8 , i loved my 3 day stay there.
 

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I totally understand the "scare tactics" hospitals use. BTDT with my first birth (PROM, Pitocin, threatened c/s, etc). I'm lucky to have not had one with him. I just think it's unethical for a doctor to automatically decide you need a c/s for something that really is not life threatening, kwim? I hope you get the birth you want next time. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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Yeah, your nuchal hand c-section story keeps surprising me every time I read it! I just mentioned it to a friend today, in fact. It was a good motivator for me to chose a home birth after moving to the Seattle area. The local hospitals don't seem to be very supportive of the kind of birth I want. (Although I joke that at least the OBs at Overlake will be well practiced at surgery should I need an emergency transfer, since I can only imagine transferring in cases where that's probably necessary.) I'll be birthing with Val or Ali, too, come September. Perhaps we've bumped into each other at the PCBC. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> Have fun growing your baby. * Jaime
 
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