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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Steve Marshall is a British travel agent. He lives in Spain, and he sells trips to Europeans who want to go to sunny places, including Cuba. In October, about 80 of his Web sites stopped working because of the U.S. government.<br><br>
The sites, in English, French and Spanish, had been online since 1998. Some, like Cuba-Hemingway.com, were literary. Others discussed Cuban history and culture, like Cuba-HavanaCity.com. Still others - CiaoCuba.com and BonjourCuba.com - were purely commercial sites aimed at Italian and French tourists.<br><br>
"I came to work in the morning, and we had no reservations at all," Marshall said on the phone from the Canary Islands. "We thought it was a technical problem."<br><br>
It turned out, though, that Marshall's Web sites had been put on a U.S. Treasury Department blacklist and, as a consequence, his domain name registrar, eNom, which is based in the United States, had disabled them. Marshall said eNom told him it did so after a call from the Treasury Department; the company says it learned that the sites were on the blacklist through a blog.</td>
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I think this is so wrong. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:
 

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That does sound wrong.<br><br>
Anyone know why the treasury department has anything to do with something like that in the first place?
 

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Perhaps Marshall should get a European web-hosting service instead of an American one. Sounds like he could solve his problems quite simply by having a web hosting service in Spain do the work for him. Why is this news?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Perhaps Marshall should get a European web-hosting service instead of an American one. Sounds like he could solve his problems quite simply by having a web hosting service in Spain do the work for him. <b>Why is this news</b>?</div>
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Really?<br><br>
I would say it is news because the US government is censoring information.
 

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Really?<br><br>
I would say it is news because the US government is censoring information.</div>
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The US government is censoring websites that cater to generating revenue by arranging tourism to Cuba. Sounds OK to me. If Marshall wants to do business in Cuba, there is nothing wrong with that. He needs to get another webhosting service to do it. I doubt the US government would care if Marshall's websites were hosted by a Spanish, French, or other European company. The United States has every right to shut down websites that are in violation with the trade embargo against Cuba, including US-based webhosting services that promote tourism, regardless if such businesses are run in or outside of America. typical European snobbery on Marshall's part. He probably thought he was being clever. he's just dumb, and now he's in the news for 15 minutes. Next crisis, please!
 

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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>diamond lil</strong> <a href="/community/forum/post/10700484"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">The US government is censoring websites that cater to generating revenue by arranging tourism to Cuba. Sounds OK to me. If Marshall wants to do business in Cuba, there is nothing wrong with that. He needs to get another webhosting service to do it. I doubt the US government would care if Marshall's websites were hosted by a Spanish, French, or other European company. The United States has every right to shut down websites that are in violation with the trade embargo against Cuba, including US-based webhosting services that promote tourism, regardless if such businesses are run in or outside of America. typical European snobbery on Marshall's part. He probably thought he was being clever. he's just dumb, and now he's in the news for 15 minutes. Next crisis, please!</div>
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You didn't read the article. His servers are and always have been in the Bahamas. The only connection to the US is that Mr Marshall registered the domain names thru a US company.
 

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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>kama'aina mama</strong> <a href="/community/forum/post/10700610"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">You didn't read the article. His servers are and always have been in the Bahamas. The only connection to the US is that Mr Marshall registered the domain names thru a US company.</div>
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Why then did he register the names through a US company? Is Spain lacking in companies that register domain names? Obviously, otherwise he would not be forced to use a US company for that?
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;"><i>"Peter Fitzgerald, a law professor at Stetson University in Florida who has studied the blacklist, said its operation was quite mysterious<b>. "There really is no explanation or standard," he said, "for why someone gets on the list."</b><br><br>
Susan Crawford, a visiting law professor at Yale and a leading authority on Internet law, <b>said the fact that many large domain name registrars are based in the United States gives the Treasury's Office of Foreign Assets Control, or OFAC, control "over a great deal of speech - none of which may be actually hosted in the U.S., about the U.S. or conflicting with any U.S. rights."<br><br>
"OFAC apparently has the power to order that this speech disappear,"</b> Crawford said.<br><br>
The law under which the Treasury Department is acting has an exemption that seeks to protect "information or informational materials." Marshall's Web sites, though ultimately commercial, would seem to qualify, and it is not clear why they appear on the blacklist.<br><br>
Unlike Americans, who face significant restrictions on travel to Cuba, Europeans are free to go there, and many do<b>. Charles Sims, a lawyer with the firm Proskauer Rose in New York, said the Treasury Department might have gone too far in Marshall's case.<br><br>
"The U.S can certainly criminalize the expenditure of money by U.S. citizens in Cuba," Sims said, "but it doesn't properly have any jurisdiction over foreign sites that are not targeted at the U.S. and which are lawful under foreign law</b>.""</i></td>
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This isn't just about this one guy's website.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Why then did he register the names through a US company? Is Spain lacking in companies that register domain names? Obviously, otherwise he would not be forced to use a US company for that?</div>
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It's difficult but not impossible to find a registrar that is not in the US. Ten years ago when he first registered these domains it may have been inpossible.
 

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Funny, when China or Pakistan block access to things they disagree with, it's wrong, but when the US does it, to the inconvenience of the rest of the world, its fine?
 

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