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So very sad<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br><a href="http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/myfox/pages/Sports/Detail?contentId=3230555&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=6.1.1" target="_blank">http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/myfox/p...Y&pageId=6.1.1</a><br><br>
Here is a blog about it with a disparaging comment about midwives:<br><a href="http://blogs.tampabay.com/storm/" target="_blank">http://blogs.tampabay.com/storm/</a>
 

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How horribly sad for that woman's family and new baby<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/gloomy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gloomy">: .
 

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I didn't see any disparaging comments about midwives. Can you quote them?<br><br>
Did she use a MW? I couldn't find any info about that either. If she was at St. Josephs, then she used a CNM if a midwife at all.<br><br>
This is so, so sad. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
ETA: For some reason I didn't get the latest day of the blog. I did see the disparaging comments about midwives in the May 17th entry.
 

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Here's another article. It looks like she died from postpartum hemorrhage. <a href="http://www.tbo.com/news/metro/MGBLA14PS1F.html" target="_blank">http://www.tbo.com/news/metro/MGBLA14PS1F.html</a><br><br>
So incredibly sad.
 

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that poor family <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> to them
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I didn't see any disparaging comments about midwives. Can you quote them?<br><br>
Did she use a MW? I couldn't find any info about that either. If she was at St. Josephs, then she used a CNM if a midwife at all.<br><br>
This is so, so sad. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
ETA: For some reason I didn't get the latest day of the blog. I did see the disparaging comments about midwives in the May 17th entry.</div>
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It doesn't say whether or not she was under the care of a midwife. The ignorant remark was made by the blogger:<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">How, in the 21st century, long past the days of wet towels and mid-wives, could somebody die while giving birth? Particularly someone who seemed so young, healthy and energetic?</td>
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That's so sad <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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This is a regular side effect of using pitocin to augment labor, not the postpartum shot that causes the uterus to clamp down and stop the bleeding. Pitocin is a vascular constrictor.<br><br>
She had a nine plus pound baby; I am betting she had a caesarean delivery, in which case everything medically possible was done to be sure she was safe and well and the baby also.<br><br>
There was just a thread about two women dying in the same hospital after delivery. What is going on?
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/candle.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Candle"> How very sad. I'm glad her baby boy survived, though. I can"t imagine what her poor family is going through right now. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/gloomy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gloomy">:<br><br>
She was induced because she went past her due date. Didn't see anything that mentioned a c-section, though.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">There was just a thread about two women dying in the same hospital after delivery. What is going on?</div>
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And these are just the ones that have made it into the media<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">This is a regular side effect of using pitocin to augment labor, not the postpartum shot that causes the uterus to clamp down and stop the bleeding. Pitocin is a vascular constrictor.<br><br>
She had a nine plus pound baby; I am betting she had a caesarean delivery, in which case everything medically possible was done to be sure she was safe and well and the baby also.<br><br>
There was just a thread about two women dying in the same hospital after delivery. What is going on?</div>
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Thank you for the explanation. Never heard of it before.
 

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There was just a thread about two women dying in the same hospital after delivery. What is going on?[/QUOTE]<br><br>
Cesarean birth increases a woman's chance of death times four. The cesarean rate in this country has gone above 30%, in my area its nearly 40%. More women will be dying.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">This is a regular side effect of using pitocin to augment labor, not the postpartum shot that causes the uterus to clamp down and stop the bleeding. Pitocin is a vascular constrictor.<br><br>
She had a nine plus pound baby; I am betting she had a caesarean delivery, in which case everything medically possible was done to be sure she was safe and well and the baby also.<br><br>
There was just a thread about two women dying in the same hospital after delivery. What is going on?</div>
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Actually, "amniotic fluid making its way into a woman’s circulatory system and disrupting the body’s ability to clot" is the definition of an <a href="http://ccn.aacnjournals.org/cgi/content/full/24/4/54" target="_blank">amniotic fluid embolism</a>, which is a rare complication that is most of the time fatal. Amniotic fluid getting into the maternal vascular system is not a "regular side effect" of using pitocin to augment labor. Pitocin augmentation can cause an AFE, and is one of the culprits, but an AFE is not a "regular side effect" of pitocin.<br><br>
Women who have an AFE, if the embolism doesn't kill them outright, often go into <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disseminated_intravascular_coagulation" target="_blank">DIC</a>, which causes massive hemmorhage.<br><br>
Not trying to step on toes here, just wanted to clarify that.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Actually, "amniotic fluid making its way into a woman’s circulatory system and disrupting the body’s ability to clot" is the definition of an <a href="http://ccn.aacnjournals.org/cgi/content/full/24/4/54" target="_blank">amniotic fluid embolism</a>, which is a rare complication that is most of the time fatal. Amniotic fluid getting into the maternal vascular system is not a "regular side effect" of using pitocin to augment labor. Pitocin augmentation can cause an AFE, and is one of the culprits, but an AFE is not a "regular side effect" of pitocin.<br><br>
Women who have an AFE, if the embolism doesn't kill them outright, often go into <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disseminated_intravascular_coagulation" target="_blank">DIC</a>, which causes massive hemmorhage.<br><br>
Not trying to step on toes here, just wanted to clarify that.</div>
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But she didn't die of AFE. She died of postpartum hemorrhage, right? Am I missing something? Were you just clarifying?<br><br>
Sorry, I think I get it. You were clarifying the side effects of pit, right?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">But she didn't die of AFE. She died of postpartum hemorrhage, right? Am I missing something? Were you just clarifying?<br><br>
Sorry, I think I get it. You were clarifying the side effects of pit, right?</div>
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That, and it sounds like she may have had an AFE that she survived (it does happen), but died from the DIC that subsequently happened and caused the hemmorhage. Does that make sense?<br><br>
I'm merely speculating from what the doctor said, though. We'll probably never know why she died, unless the family chooses to take it to the media. Either way it's just horrible all around. That poor baby and that poor daddy. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> My heart just aches for them.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">That, and it sounds like she may have had an AFE that she survived (it does happen), but died from the DIC that subsequently happened and caused the hemmorhage. Does that make sense?<br><br>
I'm merely speculating from what the doctor said, though. We'll probably never know why she died, unless the family chooses to take it to the media. Either way it's just horrible all around. That poor baby and that poor daddy. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> My heart just aches for them.</div>
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I think that the OB who was interviewed was bringing up AFE as one way a woman (not the one in question) might die in CB. None of the other articles even mention AFE at all. She could have gotten DIC, though. I suspect they'll have the results published. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I think that the OB who was interviewed was bringing up AFE as one way a woman (not the one in question) might die in CB. None of the other articles even mention AFE at all. She could have gotten DIC, though. I suspect they'll have the results published. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"></div>
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Ah, I see.<br><br>
You really think they'll tell how she died? I would personally be shocked if they did, hospitals are such CYA places, kwim? I'm surprised they got a doctor to talk at all, even in just general terms.
 

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I kind of hope not, honestly. It seems like such an invasion of privacy. But this led on the news for two days here. She was very popular.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Actually, "amniotic fluid making its way into a woman’s circulatory system and disrupting the body’s ability to clot" is the definition of an <a href="http://ccn.aacnjournals.org/cgi/content/full/24/4/54" target="_blank">amniotic fluid embolism</a>, which is a rare complication that is most of the time fatal. Amniotic fluid getting into the maternal vascular system is not a "regular side effect" of using pitocin to augment labor. Pitocin augmentation can cause an AFE, and is one of the culprits, but an AFE is not a "regular side effect" of pitocin.<br><br>
Women who have an AFE, if the embolism doesn't kill them outright, often go into <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disseminated_intravascular_coagulation" target="_blank">DIC</a>, which causes massive hemmorhage.<br><br>
Not trying to step on toes here, just wanted to clarify that.</div>
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Unless a person can get statistics from hospitals or can get hospitals to keep such stats, no one really knows how often this happens. How many doctors or hospitals would report the regularity of such complications anyway since many hospitals are for profit and the maternity ward is the bread and butter of the corporation. Most doctors think their drugs help women/babies and rarely take into consideration how dangerous a routine procedure as pitocin, aka artificial oxytocics, are. After all, there is always another procedure to cover the side effect each procedure causes, so why worry? The doctor/nurse is there to help with their armament of drugs, routines and procedures.
 
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