i get conflicting opinions and information about vaccinations. i want to do as much research as i can before the baby comes so that i can make an educated decision on this. what are your opinions? and does anyone have any good articles on vaccinations?
Vaccines? yes or no
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For me and my family - no!!!! absolutely not. I think the risks far outweigh any seemingly apparent good. I know a woman who personally watched two of her five children go from perfectly normal and happy to severly mentally retarded and autistic after being vaccinated. I personally believe it is a form of population control, especially since it is mandated and you need religious or philosophical exemptions to get past the mandates.
There are lots of good books around. I suggest reading the anti-vaccination ones first and then if you still aren't sure you probably will vaccinate anyway so go ahead and read the pro literature..
There are lots of good books around. I suggest reading the anti-vaccination ones first and then if you still aren't sure you probably will vaccinate anyway so go ahead and read the pro literature..
My son is vaccinated and he has autism. I was assured that his vaccines were mercury free. Except no one told me that the Rhogam shot and the flu shot I received while pregnant both contained mercury. I feel pretty strongly that the exposure while his brain was developing contributed to his autism. (There was always something off about him, he wasnt one of the kids who developed normally and then suddenly- autism.)
So at the very least, I will selectively vax, but am leaning towards not vaccinating at all. (No 28w week Rhogam or flu shot during pregnancy either.) Not every child exposed to mercury or MMR or other environmental factors will end up autistic, there seems to be a genetic propensity to not be able to handle these toxins. So with one child with autism, I am not taking any chances.
But I readily admit, I have a lot more reading to do. I plan to spend at lot of time at the vax boards here over the next couple of months.
So at the very least, I will selectively vax, but am leaning towards not vaccinating at all. (No 28w week Rhogam or flu shot during pregnancy either.) Not every child exposed to mercury or MMR or other environmental factors will end up autistic, there seems to be a genetic propensity to not be able to handle these toxins. So with one child with autism, I am not taking any chances.
But I readily admit, I have a lot more reading to do. I plan to spend at lot of time at the vax boards here over the next couple of months.
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We will most likely do selective/delayed, but I still have a lot of reading to do. We will certainly not do Hep B at birth and she will be at least 6 months old before we do any of them.
Last year I read the vac book by Aviva Jill Romm and that helped me a lot. I will warn you, it is some heavy dry reading - I felt like I was in college again. I also plan to read the book by Dr Cave (sorry all the titles are escaping me right now) sometime soon. You can look at their amazon reviews for more info. When I was looking for info last summer, I found that it was best for me to look in books and not the internet.
Last year I read the vac book by Aviva Jill Romm and that helped me a lot. I will warn you, it is some heavy dry reading - I felt like I was in college again. I also plan to read the book by Dr Cave (sorry all the titles are escaping me right now) sometime soon. You can look at their amazon reviews for more info. When I was looking for info last summer, I found that it was best for me to look in books and not the internet.
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I just had a conversation about this today with my husband -- truthout.org has an article right now by Robert Kennedy, Jr. about the link between autism and mercury in vaccines and the CDC and FDA's role in covering up the "staggering" evidence of correlation since 1991.
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We did selective vax, and will probably do so again. We used Dr. Stephanie Cave's book, which I thought did a great job of explaining the risks, benefits, and the likelihood of actually getting the disease, and alternatives within vaccinations. We took about half of the vaccinations and declined about half. Most Drs didn't give me a hard time at all about it.
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i am definitly a NO when it comes to vaccinations. my son has had none and has never gotten sick, not tey anyways.. i know he WILL have chickenpox one of these days and probably other diseases that they vaccinate for but i strongly believe that children who are allowed to let their immune systems work properly are much stronger and healthier.
i also have personal reasons why i say no to vaccines.. the blood disease ( ITP) that i got and that almost killed me at the age of 6 i found out recently is directly related to the MMR vaccine.. they didnt know this at the time of my illness, but a lot of reasearch has been done since on the subject.something like 5 out of every 6 cases are known to be caused by the vaccine.. its an auto immune response that goes wrong i guess..
i have always felt like vaccinating isnt a great idea, but when i learned this i knew i wouldnt ever vaccinate my kids. i never want them to go through what i did as a sick kid in a hospital in the cancer ward..
i also have personal reasons why i say no to vaccines.. the blood disease ( ITP) that i got and that almost killed me at the age of 6 i found out recently is directly related to the MMR vaccine.. they didnt know this at the time of my illness, but a lot of reasearch has been done since on the subject.something like 5 out of every 6 cases are known to be caused by the vaccine.. its an auto immune response that goes wrong i guess..
i have always felt like vaccinating isnt a great idea, but when i learned this i knew i wouldnt ever vaccinate my kids. i never want them to go through what i did as a sick kid in a hospital in the cancer ward..
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Loraeileen, I'm glad you mentioned that. I was planning on getting either that one or the one by Aviva Jill Romm (Vaccinations: A Thoughtful Parent's Guide: How to Make Safe, Sensible Decisions about the Risks, Benefits, and Alternatives), but since you found it useful, I'll probably get Dr. Cave's first.
I will personally be vaccinating, but I can respect those mothers who opt not to, as they are afraid of allergic reactions etc. Although risks are rare in vaccinations, it can happen. I am one of those people who feel the slight chance of an allergic reaction is worth immunizing my child.
http://www4.nationalacademies.org/ne...X?OpenDocument
The theory is the mercury in vaccinations causes autisim. Thimerosal is no longer in vaccines.
All humans have mercury in their systems. It is in cans of tuna fish, water, and air as an example. As a kid, I accidentally swollowed the mercury in a thermometer, and I turned out fine. NOt saying I would reccomend doign that though...
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In high doses, mercury is very toxic, but in those high doses it causes severe nerve damage. If the vaccine cotnaining trace amounts of mercury did in fact harm the brain due to the mercury, according ot medical research, there would be other symptoms besides autisim. Medical research again and again has found no link between autism rates and vaccination rates. Thimerosal (mercury compound) has since been removed from vaccines.
You will find this forum very biased against vaccines. What I suggest - if you want both sides and unbiased - is that you look up medical research and data on your own, and look at the benefits of both getting vaccinations and not getting vacinations. Read both sides of the argument before you make up your mind, and do so based upon documented medical research and not personal opinions of people you may know, this way you will be happy with the choice you make for your family.
http://www4.nationalacademies.org/ne...X?OpenDocument
The theory is the mercury in vaccinations causes autisim. Thimerosal is no longer in vaccines.
All humans have mercury in their systems. It is in cans of tuna fish, water, and air as an example. As a kid, I accidentally swollowed the mercury in a thermometer, and I turned out fine. NOt saying I would reccomend doign that though...
You will find this forum very biased against vaccines. What I suggest - if you want both sides and unbiased - is that you look up medical research and data on your own, and look at the benefits of both getting vaccinations and not getting vacinations. Read both sides of the argument before you make up your mind, and do so based upon documented medical research and not personal opinions of people you may know, this way you will be happy with the choice you make for your family.
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Originally Posted by MrsMoe Read both sides of the argument before you make up your mind, and do so based upon documented medical research and not personal opinions of people you may know, this way you will be happy with the choice you make for your family. |
Sam got all of his shots on schedule. I am thinking we may be a bit more selective or delay some vax with the Turkey. Our current peds office is very supportive of it. They also see enough patients that they turn over vaccines quickly and have no stock containing thimerisol.
Our first ped's office (and our neighborhood,actually) have large immigrant populations and there were some outbreaks of pertussis and some other things, and many kids got quite ill, so we felt it was an important thing to do. I did not do the hep b at birth and don't believe that is necessary, nor do I do flu shots.
That is just me.
Our first ped's office (and our neighborhood,actually) have large immigrant populations and there were some outbreaks of pertussis and some other things, and many kids got quite ill, so we felt it was an important thing to do. I did not do the hep b at birth and don't believe that is necessary, nor do I do flu shots.
That is just me.
I am totally on the fence about it- I am scared to vaccinate and scared not to. I didn't even know there was an issue with it till ds was 6 mos old and by then he had already gotten a lot of shots and several at a time on a few occasions. I even got the flu shot while pg. He has a lot of sensitivity/sensory issues and growth issues and I will always wonder if that has anything to do with it.
After I started leaning more, I have always done a delayed schedule and one at a time, 6-8 or more weeks apart, and only when he is feeling well. I was very fortuante to find a supportive doc who is actually reluctant to vaccinate him at all due to his issues!
With this baby I definitely won't be doing Hep B anytime near the beginning, and will be delaying and spacing out the rest of them. I confess I haven't done as much reading as I should, there are just SO many issues I want to be well versed on but it's hard to read up thoroughly on absolutely everything.
After I started leaning more, I have always done a delayed schedule and one at a time, 6-8 or more weeks apart, and only when he is feeling well. I was very fortuante to find a supportive doc who is actually reluctant to vaccinate him at all due to his issues!
With this baby I definitely won't be doing Hep B anytime near the beginning, and will be delaying and spacing out the rest of them. I confess I haven't done as much reading as I should, there are just SO many issues I want to be well versed on but it's hard to read up thoroughly on absolutely everything.
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I believe that God created our immune systems to work in a certain way, and vaccines do not work that way. It's basically injecting poison into a baby (so I would recommend at least delaying till the child is old enough to tell you if something doesn't seem right) whose system isn't fully developed yet. Also, do some research on how they make the vaccinations and the abusive practices towards the animals. Also, some vaccines are made with monkey cells and there are a lot of simian viruses that we know nothing about till it's too late (such as the ones that cause HIV and AIDS in people, which some people say were caused by the monkey parts in the OPV - and that's certainly as plausible as any other theory from what I've read).
Research, research, research! And come to your own conclusions
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Research, research, research! And come to your own conclusions
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Yes, only an issue if you are an RH- mother and the father is Rh+.
There was an article in mothering awhile back that talked about how many Rh- mothers (all who received Rhogam with thimerosol) had children with autism spectrum disorders. Scary stuff that was way too many to be shrugged off as coincidental. Hard to know who to trust!
Originally Posted by itsybitsy25 ps. I am also confused about the rhogam thing- is that only needed if you have a negative blood type? I am AB pos. and it's never come up. |
There was an article in mothering awhile back that talked about how many Rh- mothers (all who received Rhogam with thimerosol) had children with autism spectrum disorders. Scary stuff that was way too many to be shrugged off as coincidental. Hard to know who to trust!
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We're delaying vaccination and doing on a modified schedule, but we're doing it. Dh and I both have jobs and specialities that take us overseas a lot (DH = Biochemist, pre-med specializing in third world immunology. Me = Lawyer specializing in legal development in the post-soviet world), and want to travel with our kids -- and not to grandma's house, or cancun, but to places like Cambodia, Kazakhstan and Ethiopia. So the chances of our family being able to sit by and rely on first world herd immunity are pretty slim, and the chances of our kids being exposed to something are much higher. So the comprimise I made with DH was that we would look at the medical evidence, and in the end we would weigh the risks and vax for anything he felt he couldn't handle all alone in a mud-floored yurt if worse came to worse.
Plus, I've had some crappy reactions to getting lots of immunizations at a time -- I thought I was going to DIE after getting my sub-saharan set done, and I'm a big person. And while I understand why the US does all the vaccinations on top of one another (Because we can't count on parents to bring their kids in for a more sensible schedule because health care is so expensive and we're not single payer), I think I can make a commitment to getting them done.
Plus, I've had some crappy reactions to getting lots of immunizations at a time -- I thought I was going to DIE after getting my sub-saharan set done, and I'm a big person. And while I understand why the US does all the vaccinations on top of one another (Because we can't count on parents to bring their kids in for a more sensible schedule because health care is so expensive and we're not single payer), I think I can make a commitment to getting them done.
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I second the travelling part, along with willingness to eat in dive-ish places where Hep A may be endemic. Hep A is not a required vaccine, but one that I felt that we should all get before doing a lot of travelling, because it is really bad. My best friend had it in HS, and her whole family, from a restaurant.
We chose some vax due to where we were travelling, and if there was an outbreak of anything at the time we were going there. For example, I got measles as a monovalent (stand-alone) for her because France was having a serious outbreak when we were going over, specifically in the area we were staying. I think there's a great opportunity to pick and choose, based on your own comfort with risk factors in your personal life and community, etc.
And I second the way adult vaccinations can make you appreciate the risks - before I went to Egypt and had to "catch up" on mine, I also felt really bad for about two weeks afterwards. MMR has had a very horrible -though not long lasting - effect on me, and most doctors agree with my decision to not vax my daughter with it.
We chose some vax due to where we were travelling, and if there was an outbreak of anything at the time we were going there. For example, I got measles as a monovalent (stand-alone) for her because France was having a serious outbreak when we were going over, specifically in the area we were staying. I think there's a great opportunity to pick and choose, based on your own comfort with risk factors in your personal life and community, etc.
And I second the way adult vaccinations can make you appreciate the risks - before I went to Egypt and had to "catch up" on mine, I also felt really bad for about two weeks afterwards. MMR has had a very horrible -though not long lasting - effect on me, and most doctors agree with my decision to not vax my daughter with it.
My DS was vaccine injured so my DD is not vaccinated,but will be selectively vaccinated....some day.
Re: rhogam, you can get Mercury free (most are now mercury free but you can always check the ingredients on the packing slip when you get the shot. I did just that after my amnio last week. I knew the manufacturer before hand and knew they were mercury free but I read the insert before the nurse gave me the shot).
Re: vaccines. Here's what I know... they are made thimer/mercury-free now but unless it's a single dose vial (where preservative is not needed) the only way to verify that you do not have an "old lot" is to call the manufacturer with the lot # to see if it was manufactured before Mercury was withdrawn. But the vaccine board here has a ton of information about this. SOME peds office will not wait (happily) while you do this or have them do it. Some offices will get single dose vials in for you. I think it depends on the ped or family practice you use!
Our first visit at our new ped's office here had a 1999 (99!!!) article taped to the back of the door in ALL of the offices about autism and mercury link (saying there was not a link). UGH! Obviously they are NO help to us (btw, we took the article with us when we left
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This is SUCH a terrific site to research from. The vaccine board is just wonderful!
Re: rhogam, you can get Mercury free (most are now mercury free but you can always check the ingredients on the packing slip when you get the shot. I did just that after my amnio last week. I knew the manufacturer before hand and knew they were mercury free but I read the insert before the nurse gave me the shot).
Re: vaccines. Here's what I know... they are made thimer/mercury-free now but unless it's a single dose vial (where preservative is not needed) the only way to verify that you do not have an "old lot" is to call the manufacturer with the lot # to see if it was manufactured before Mercury was withdrawn. But the vaccine board here has a ton of information about this. SOME peds office will not wait (happily) while you do this or have them do it. Some offices will get single dose vials in for you. I think it depends on the ped or family practice you use!
Our first visit at our new ped's office here had a 1999 (99!!!) article taped to the back of the door in ALL of the offices about autism and mercury link (saying there was not a link). UGH! Obviously they are NO help to us (btw, we took the article with us when we left
This is SUCH a terrific site to research from. The vaccine board is just wonderful!
thank you so much ladies for all of your wonderful advice! i didn't even know there was a vaccine board on this site. my husband read the kennedy article and is horrified. he came up with the same conclusion that single dose vials are the only option if we decide to vaccinate.
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