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Hello all,<br><br>
DS1 just had his first tick. On his cheek! So this lets me no longer ignore the fact that we live in a high risk area for tick-born encephalitis. It is government recommended to get the shot, but aren't they all? We live in Germany, in Bavaria to be exact.<br>
I Know I should probably post this on a German forum, but I just know my way around MDC better and wouldn't even know of a German vax forum. (Anybody know of one? linkie?)<br><br>
So, to finally come to a point:<br>
DS1 (unfortunately) had all US recommended vaxxes until his 2nd birthday (which is around when I started questioning things). I am not even sure if not vaxing at all, all of a sudden is such a good idea.<br>
So, do I vax against the tick-borne encephalitis? Do I not? Even a lot of generally anti-vax people seem to recommend the one for ticks.<br>
We had a <span style="text-decoration:underline;">very</span> mild winter, so my non scientific assumption would be that there will be a lot more ticks everywhere this year.<br>
I don't want to have to freak out with every single tick.<br><br>
As you can tell, I am completely confused and don't have a lot of knowledge on the subject.<br><br>
I am thankful for any links or anybody with any info on all this.<br><br>
Thanks!<br><br>
Oh, and <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wave.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wave"> I think this is my first post on the vax board. Hello!
 

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Are you talking about the vaccine for Japanese Encephalitis? If so, I would never give my child (or myself) this vaccine. Each dose is loaded with thimerosal - something like 37.5 micrograms in each dose (3 doses in the series). Your child is three years old, so that would be A LOT of thimerosal.<br><br>
Children 1-3 years of age would get half the amount in each dose, but that's still a lot.<br><br>
JE-VAX product insert: <a href="http://www.vaccineshoppe.com/US_PDF/680-30_4345.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.vaccineshoppe.com/US_PDF/680-30_4345.pdf</a>
 

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It is my understanding that there are more than 3 vaccines used against tick-borne encephalitis. One is FSME Immun (Baxter AG), an inactivated, purified whole virus that is also available in a pediatric formulation called FSME Immun Junior. Another inactivated vaccine is Encepur (Chiron Behring). Russia makes at least one vaccine, but it looks like it is not available outside of that country.<br><br>
It looks like <a href="http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/100004965.html" target="_blank">FSME-Immun</a> is not available for kids under 3 but that the "junior" version is for kids over the age of 1 and that <a href="http://www.tiscali.co.uk/lifestyle/healthfitness/health_advice/netdoctor/archive/100004218.html" target="_blank">Encepur</a> should not be used in children under the age of 12.<br><br>
- From the International Journal of Medical Microbiology (2004 Apr;293 Suppl 37:130-3): Long-term immunity after vaccination against tick-borne encephalitis with Encepur using the rapid vaccination schedule.<br><br><span style="color:#0000FF;">...To summarize, these data clearly show that the TBE vaccination with this new TBE vaccine can be used safely to boost subjects pre-immunized with the former TBE vaccine formulation. Long-lasting immunity following this second TBE booster immunization can be concluded.....</span><br><br>
From MDTravelHealth: <a href="http://www.mdtravelhealth.com/infectious/tick_borne_encephalitis.html" target="_blank">Tick-Borne Encephalitis</a><br><br>
- From the WHO: <a href="http://www.who.int/vaccine_research/diseases/vector/en/index2.html" target="_blank">Vector-Borne Viral Infections: Tick-borne encephalitis</a><br><span style="color:#0000FF;"><br>
The endemic area for tick-borne encephalitis (TBE) spreads from Alsace-Lorraine in the west to Vladivostok and north-eastern regions of China in the east, and from Scandanavia to Italy, Greece and Crimea in the south.....TBE is a serious acute central nervous system infection which may result in death or long-term neurological sequelae in 35–58% of patients. The fatality rate associated with clinical infection is 0.5–20%. The proportion of cases involving subclinical infection varies between 70% and 98%. Symptomatic infection occurs in all age groups....At least four formalin-inactivated TBE vaccines are available, made of virus grown on chick embryo fibroblasts, inactivated by formaldehyde and purified by continuous flow-density centrifugation. These vaccines are administered along a two-dose schedule followed by a booster immunization at one year and recommended booster injections every 3–5 years. They are produced in Austria (Baxter Vaccine, previously Immuno), Germany (Chiron, previously Beringwerke) and the Russian Federation (Institute of Poliomyelitis and Viral Encephalitidis and Virion Company)....</span><br><br>
- From Baxter: <a href="http://www.baxter.at/Baxter.aspx?target=42606" target="_blank">FSME - IMMUN</a> (in German)<br><br>
- From the journal Vaccine (2003 Jan 30;21(7-8):742-5): <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12531353&dopt=Abstract" target="_blank">Tolerability of modified tick-borne encephalitis vaccine FSME-IMMUN "NEW" in children: results of post-marketing surveillance.</a><br><br><span style="color:#0000FF;">...These results demonstrated that, in routine medical practice, FSME-IMMUN "NEW" vaccine at a dose of 1.2 microg antigen/0.25 ml is safe for the first vaccination in children.</span><br><br>
- From the journal Infection (1998 Nov-Dec;26(6):385-8): <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9861565&dopt=Abstract" target="_blank">Adverse reactions to tick-borne encephalitis vaccine: FSME-Immun.</a><br><span style="color:#0000FF;"><br>
...No serious adverse reactions after vaccine administration were observed. Post-vaccine side effects were reported in 242 (11.3%) persons after the first dose (n = 2,135) and only in 14 patients (1.2%) after the second one (n = 1,183). These effects were mild and transitory....</span><br><br>
- From the UK: <a href="http://www.dh.gov.uk/prod_consum_dh/groups/dh_digitalassets/@dh/@en/documents/digitalasset/dh_4123452.pdf" target="_blank">Consumer information about tick-borne encephalitis</a><br><br>
- From the Public Health Agency of Canada: Canada Communicable Disease Report Volume 32 • ACS-3 1 April 2006: An Advisory Committee Statement (ACS): Committee to Advise on Tropical Medicine and Travel (CATMAT): <a href="http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/ccdr-rmtc/06vol32/acs-03/index.html" target="_blank">Statement on tick-borne encephalitis</a><br><br>
If you google the brand-names of the vaccine, there's a lot of information in German that you might find helpful.<br><br>
Sorry this is sort of jumbled. HTH.
 

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I just wanted to thank everybody for the great information!<br><br>
I won't have either one of sons vaxxed against it.<br><br>
This whole vaxing debate is quite annoying to me. I would love to educate myself about it, but I am just so bored by all the chemical things, nor do I understand them, really. I read a couple books on it and feel like I don't want to vax anymore, but I am just not 100% sure. I want to be in a position where I can answer the questions that other people ask me. Right now I'm always saying something like: "I don't know, it's supposed to not work that great and it has all these dangerous additives." to which people usually respond that this may very well be, but vaxes still save lives and anything else you hear on them is mostly fearmongering. I don't know, why can't it just be easy? I feel like I need a Phd to understand just a portion of the subject.<br><br>
Anyway, thank you everybody!
 

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