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Hi all.<br>
I am not a convert, and please don't throw tomatoes at me for posting here. I am in a major change as far as nutrition and I guess I am searching my tribe.<br><br>
Why did you feel the need to become vegetarians? Because of health issues, because of animal treatments? Just because you don't like meat and rather veggies?<br><br>
What do you think as a vegetarian about sugar intake? Do you consider sugar to be ok, or dangerous? What about gluten and grains?<br><br>
I have been reading for the last few days about nutrition and what to eat and what not to eat, and my head is spinning. Some don't eat dairy, some no sugar, but add fat to subsitute. Some say fats is a no, no but sugar is ok. Some say grains doesn't work for them...<br>
I am well aware that everybody has a different experience and that there are not one ultimate way of eating right, but I am having a hard time finding out what would work for me, and so I am researching the options I guess.<br>
Care to give me a hand?<br>
TIA!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I am not a convert, and please don't throw tomatoes at me for posting here. I am in a major change as far as nutrition and I guess I am searching my tribe.<br><br>
Why did you feel the need to become vegetarians? Because of health issues, because of animal treatments? Just because you don't like meat and rather veggies?<br><br>
What do you think as a vegetarian about sugar intake? Do you consider sugar to be ok, or dangerous? What about gluten and grains?</div>
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No tomatoes - legitimate questions are encouraged!<br><br>
I became vegan after visiting a dairy farm - so primarily for animal rights reasons, although my health improved so dramatically after just a few weeks that health is a major factor for me now as well. I use to love the taste of meat FTR <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br>
Sugar I think is OK in moderation. It would surely be healthier if I avoided it completely (but I think chemical sweeteners are far more dangerous) but I don't want to give up my dark chocolate. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
I don't have any issues with gluten or grains but I know some people can not tolerate them.
 

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I became a vegetarian (lacto-ovo) about 9 years ago. I chose this lifestyle because of environmental issues. Although, as I read more about cruelty to animals, antibiotic use/overuse and hormones, those become strong influences to stay veggie.
 

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Not to hijack the thread, but I came on just now with the exact same questions. As for me, I have noticed that I seem to have a very, very hard time digesting animal protein, except for eggs. I feel hungover and sick for days after eating beef and chicken. Has anyone else experienced this? I feel like my gut it just rejecting meat! Also, I do have some philosophical issues with eating meat which probably contribute somewhat to my stomachaches.<br><br>
I just wondered if anyone has had similar experiences, and whether eliminating meat altogether or at least drastically limiting it helped them?
 

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I was heading toward vegetarianism because of health and environment although what did if for me (and has kept me a vegetarian) were the animals. Honestly, I felt like I was being a hypocrite. I'd always say that I could never kill an animal, but then having someone else do it for me was hypocritical. I try to limit my sugar intake because I don't think it's healthy. I also limit my dairy intake because I don't think it's healthy. I don't eat gluten because of an intolerance. I've been a vegetarian for fifteen years, and it's one of the best decisions I've ever made.
 

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I've recently recommitted myself to following a vegan diet for health reasons mainly, but the fact that it's better for the environment and kind to animals is a great motivator as well.<br><br>
I try to avoid sugar except what's naturally occurring in whole foods. I also avoid refined oils and limit high fat foods like nuts. I just feel better when I keep my diet really low fat and really high carb (but not processed carbs). I tolerate grains just fine, but I do try to limit flour products, even whole grain flour, because I don't think they're as healthy as less processed whole grains, if that makes sense. I also think that dairy is unhealthy. I'm so glad I decided to go back to vegan because I feel so much better this way...it's like <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/duh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="duh"> why did I ever stop?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Not to hijack the thread, but I came on just now with the exact same questions.</div>
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no probs!!!<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I try to limit my sugar intake because I don't think it's healthy. I also limit my dairy intake because I don't think it's healthy. I don't eat gluten because of an intolerance. I've been a vegetarian for fifteen years, and it's one of the best decisions I've ever made.</div>
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Great, you are exactly the type of person I want to hear from.<br>
Then what do you eat. Can you just tell me what is your typical day as far as meal and snacks, if you don't mind? Do you feel like you are restricted in your choices of food, or no have plenty of choice and are happy with it?<br><br>
and finally, when you say limit, do you still occasionally eat sugar and dairy, or pretty much never do?<br>
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I try to avoid sugar except what's naturally occurring in whole foods. I also avoid refined oils and limit high fat foods like nuts. I just feel better when I keep my diet really low fat and really high carb (but not processed carbs). I tolerate grains just fine, but I do try to limit flour products, even whole grain flour, because I don't think they're as healthy as less processed whole grains, if that makes sense. I also think that dairy is unhealthy.</div>
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thanks for your contribution!<br><br>
If you limit nuts and such, where do you get your protein?<br>
Really low fat and high carbs? What do you consider being good carbs? Don't they make you crave sugar?<br>
What do you consider being less process whole grains? Barley, Epeautre and stuff like that? And how do you eat your grains?<br>
Thanks, they must seem like crazy question, but I am new to this<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/blush.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="blush"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="innocent">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Great, you are exactly the type of person I want to hear from.<br>
Then what do you eat. Can you just tell me what is your typical day as far as meal and snacks, if you don't mind? Do you feel like you are restricted in your choices of food, or no have plenty of choice and are happy with it?<br><br>
and finally, when you say limit, do you still occasionally eat sugar and dairy, or pretty much never do?<br>
Thanks SO SO much!!</div>
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No, I don't feel restricted at all. Actually, I eat a much greater variety of foods than most people I know. Sometimes when I go to a social gathering I might feel a little frustrated because there isn't much for me to eat, but I always make sure and bring something yummy! I do still occasionally eat sugar and less so dairy. I don't eat a lot of processed things - usually the dairy I eat comes in that form. We buy nut thins and the ranch flavor have dairy in them - that kind of thing. I do sometimes have chocolate (must occasionally have chocolate!). I try hard not to buy processed sweets. I will make them sometimes - plus once in a while I'll buy Pamela's cookies. Sometimes I'll buy frozen Tofutti treats, but it's still pretty rare.<br><br>
There's really not a typical day around here! I love to cook and experiment, so we try a lot of new things. I do have a green smoothie for breakfast a lot. I usually have a salad with lunch and/or dinner. I eat a lot of greens and fresh veggies. Last night for dinner we had marinated baked tofu with a raw tahini satay sauce, a green salad (at dd's request), carrot stick with a creamy cashew dressing (a ds's request), and mashed potatoes (at dd's request). The other night we had seasoned black beans, cilantro-lime rice, lettuce, tomato, cashew cream, salsa, and corn tortillas. We eat a lot of hummus with fresh cut up veggies and rice crackers, apples and peanut or almond butter, Clif bars (they're addicting!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">), oranges (especially during Clementine season), and bananas.<br><br>
It can seem overwhelming at first. When I first became a vegetarian, I ate very differently than I do now. Of course, I was a college student! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> There is a learning curve for sure when you're making such a drastic change. I never thought I would be caught dead eating tofu, and now I love it. My children will actually beg for it! I'd never heard of quinoa or tempeh, and now they're both a fairly regular part of my diet. Good luck. This board is a great resource for any questions you have.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">If you limit nuts and such, where do you get your protein?<br>
Really low fat and high carbs? What do you consider being good carbs? Don't they make you crave sugar?<br>
What do you consider being less process whole grains? Barley, Epeautre and stuff like that? And how do you eat your grains?<br>
Thanks, they must seem like crazy question, but I am new to this<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/blush.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="blush"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="innocent"></div>
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I'm not really worried about protein. I eat beans, whole grains, and lots of vegetables, all of which contain protein. What I mean by whole grains is brown rice, quinoa, barley, oats, etc. I eat a lot of brown rice seasoned with tamari & garlic and oatmeal with banana & cinnamon. I do eat flour products, but I try to limit them by not eating <i>a lot</i> of bread, pasta, muffins, and the like. I consider potatoes, whole grains, fruit and vegetables of all kinds to be "good carbs" and processed carbs (refined grains, refined sugar, etc) are the "bad" ones. This is what works for me, anyway. I don't crave sugar eating them, and I don't gain weight eating them. (In fact, I'm easily losing all the weight I gained over the last year while eating a terrible omni diet.)
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Not to hijack the thread, but I came on just now with the exact same questions. As for me, I have noticed that I seem to have a very, very hard time digesting animal protein, except for eggs. I feel hungover and sick for days after eating beef and chicken. Has anyone else experienced this? I feel like my gut it just rejecting meat! Also, I do have some philosophical issues with eating meat which probably contribute somewhat to my stomachaches.<br><br>
I just wondered if anyone has had similar experiences, and whether eliminating meat altogether or at least drastically limiting it helped them?</div>
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I have experienced this.<br><br>
I went vegetarian because I did the atkins diet <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/duck.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Duck">:<br><br>
seriously, meat grossed me out after that, so i went veg- cold turkey, lost 20 lbs in a month, the rest over the course of a year (40 total), i had more energy, i felt better, i haven't been sick more than a day (besides morning sickness)<br><br>
I didn't know about the environmenal issues til later.<br><br>
Sugar- I only eat unprocessed sugar, but I don't really limit it.<br><br>
Protein- PLENTY!! There is protein in all grains, nuts, beans, and some veggies. It is very easy to get more than enough.<br><br>
HTH!
 

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I'm coming back to veg/vegan eating too. If you start looking, you'll see that it's pretty impossible to not get enough protein. Like pp said there is plenty in beans, grains etc but even veggies have protein so don't worry about that.<br><br>
As far as what to avoid. For me High Fructose Corn Syrup is something that I'm absolutely fanatic about. There is only one food that I will buy and that is the bbq sauce that I like. I hardly ever use it so I will buy it. I also try to avoid processed sweets in general.<br><br>
I used to be a huge dairy consumer. Then I went vegan and missed it, but stuck it out. Then when I added dairy back, I realize how sick it makes me. Now I eat it because it tastes good, but then I pay. I just got the Ultimate Uncheeze book and the recipe that I tried was so good, I think that I will be able to give up cheese again and not go back. Milk tastes horrible to me now too.
 

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thanks a lot to all four of your mamas!<br><br>
I am still not a convert, but I have been trying for the last 2 meals I had to see what it would be like KWIM? And I am having a hard time.<br>
Now keep in mind that I don't eat much fruits because of allergies to them. I can eat small berries, and clementines, but that is about it.<br>
Last night we ate a omellette with tons of veggies and a salad with nuts in it. It was good. Later on I snacked on nuts, I love nuts.<br>
This morning was really challenging to me. I am wanting to try cutting on Dairy and sugar as well...SO I had a toast of whole grain bread with natural peanut butter, and a few raspberry, and then I did not know what to eat anymore. Everything else I could think of either contained sugar or dairy...cheese, yougurt, cereals (well, when with milk...). So what could I add?<br><br><br><b>Colorado mama</b>, yes, honnestly, it is very overwhelming, and distabilizing, when you realize that what you have been told all your life is basically not true (when I think of Dairy most of all) It makes you question everything then. Thanks a bunch for your post!!!<br><br><br>
Is molasse considered as a refine sugar or not? I thought there was some kind of nutriments in there as well I am right?
 

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I became a vegetarian for animal abuse issues. I was a vegan for three years and then switched to simple vegetarianism due to cheese cravings. Not a legitimate excuse! Dairy is highly addictive though.<br><br>
I have no food issues with wheat. Some people avoid sugar because it is filtered through bone char and because of environment exploitation. Organic evaporated cane juice is an alternative. It is sugar w/o the final bleaching stripping process that whitens and takes away nutrients. Another alternative is stevia for sweetening. I use it for iced tea and you can also bake with it. You need specific recipes though.<br><br>
There is a link in my siggy for a Vegetarian Starter Kit that you can get for free. Try it!
 

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There is a link in my siggy for a Vegetarian Starter Kit that you can get for free. Try it!</div>
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thanks!<br>
I have just ordered it. I'll see what it says!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">thanks a lot to all four of your mamas!<br><br>
I am still not a convert, but I have been trying for the last 2 meals I had to see what it would be like KWIM? And I am having a hard time.<br>
Now keep in mind that I don't eat much fruits because of allergies to them. I can eat small berries, and clementines, but that is about it.<br>
Last night we ate a omellette with tons of veggies and a salad with nuts in it. It was good. Later on I snacked on nuts, I love nuts.<br>
This morning was really challenging to me. I am wanting to try cutting on Dairy and sugar as well...SO I had a toast of whole grain bread with natural peanut butter, and a few raspberry, and then I did not know what to eat anymore. Everything else I could think of either contained sugar or dairy...cheese, yougurt, cereals (well, when with milk...). So what could I add?<br><br><br><b>Colorado mama</b>, yes, honnestly, it is very overwhelming, and distabilizing, when you realize that what you have been told all your life is basically not true (when I think of Dairy most of all) It makes you question everything then. Thanks a bunch for your post!!!<br><br><br>
Is molasse considered as a refine sugar or not? I thought there was some kind of nutriments in there as well I am right?</div>
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When I first went veg I didn't know what to eat either. It is a small learning curve, and re-learning how to cook, and what to avoid. But it will become like second nature once you get past that little hump. Check out my blog (and other blogs) in my siggy for some ideas. I didn't have mothering, or a veg starter kit, nor did I know about food blogs when I first went veg, so you are ahead of the game already! I think if you give it just a month or two you will find that you feel a lot healthier, and "lighter" - for lack of a better word.<br><br>
Molasses is good. Black-strap molasses is full of vitamins, esp. iron.<br><br>
I use soymilk instead of dairy milk, but if you don't want to use soy for your cereal there is rice, oat, almond, hazelnut, hemp.... lots of different milk options out there.<br><br>
For breakfast this morning, I made oatmeal (cooked in water), and added maple syrup and whole flax seeds. You could add berries to that too, sometimes I add blueberries to mine.
 
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