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I have a beautiful, exclusively breast fed, very healthy 12 week old. He's absolutley the sunshine of my life. I'm researching the Vax issue, and feeling a little confused. I posted a threas a little while back, more like a vent, about how my Dad is really pressuring me.<br><br>
Well, every time I talk to him he asks me about Vaxing. He sent me a list of articles talking about thimerosal, since that was my first concern that was brought up researching here..<br><i><br>
"So it's not in them anymore. Go get him his shots. You know, you don't want him getting those diseases.. You got all your shots... And they're made for babies, and...."</i><br><br>
Elias is his first Grandchild. I understand that he cares about him, but so do I. So, I read the tuff he sent (partly to humor him, partly to see what it had to say) and found out that there is aborted fetus cells and animal cells in them! Now, that's a HUGE issue for me.<br><br>
Vegetarian/Vegan Mamas, how do you feel about it? Are there any that don't contain the tissue? I need to know these things, because here in a couple of hours he's going to call and want to talk about it.<br><br>
I love my Dad, and I really don't want to be harsh to him and say that it's not up for discussion. I would liek to be able to address the issue and let him know that I know what I'm talking about.<br><br>
He knows that I trust the government about as far as I can throw it, and he's the same way on a lot of issues. I told him that I would wait until Elias is AT LEAST 2 years old before injecting ANYTHING that isn't medically nessecary. Now he's really urging me.<br><br>
I feel torn. I don't want to be a wench, but what else can I do? How do you deal?
 

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Sorry, don't have experience with this, but just one thought: did your dad read what you gave him (I guess you did)? It should be reciprocal, and then maybe you can sit down and discuss specifically certain concerns for either side.
 

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I don't think it's harsh to tell him it's not up for discussion...I have been in your shoes many times and it has been the only way to get anyone to back off. When I first started researching vaccines, animal products were not on my mind (I'm vegan), but for sure they are now. I believe there is a thread here where someone makes the point of possible bse/hormones, etc. from vaccines...not to mention all the other crap in them. My dad is the same way, but it's not his ds, you know? I'm sure you'll get other great info. from others and more reading. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> mary
 

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Carrie, just because you don't agree with your dad on this doesn't mean you don't LOVE him. It doesn't mean you don't RESPECT him. It just means you don't agree with him. This is a HUGE thing. As a pp pointed out, he needs to respect you and read the other side of the issue.<br><br>
There are so many threads here that you can print out and show him. There are books he can read. If you want one written by an MD (sometimes having that degree can give someone more credibility to someone like your dad), there's a good book called What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Childhood Vaccinations, by Stephanie Cave. You might want to read it first and then give it to him.<br><br>
A book I prefer is called Vaccines: A Thoughtful Parents' Guide, by Aviva Jill Romm. She's not an MD, but I believe she considered becoming one (and studied for it). Anyway, she's got great credentials, just not the MD after her name.<br><br>
Good luck with this. I know it's hard to go against the grain - especially when the grain is your loved ones. But once you read, read, read and feel like you have a grasp on the subject, you will feel more comfortable with not agreeing with him.<br><br>
You are right. Go with your gut. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
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Nip it in the bud now. If you don't, you may be "debating" the issue indefinitely.
 

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hiya greenie, i'm quoting your paraphrasing of your father to just make a simple point.<br><br>
these vaccines, they are not Elias's, as in 'go get him his shots'. nor were they YOURS when you were a child. they are belonging to the pharmaceutical industry. more specifically, the doctor who purchased them for his/her office owns them.<br><br>
to refer to vaccines in the posessive gives the concept undue power. when someone (dad) says 'go get him his shots', it places you in the wrong spot. it implies that the vaccines are your child's BIRTHRIGHT- HIS SHOTS!. it implies that you are somehow in the wrong by not giving them to him, going with the program.<br><br>
this is of course not true. we are all born unvaccinated. vaccines are a consumer product. i realize that the whole world has been telling us for our whole lives that they are a fundamental part of BEING, but it is just not true.<br><br>
at the very least, they are not 'his' shots until you force them into his body. that said, my mother paid a professional to vaccinate me, and, 25 years later, is sorry she did so. we both work hard now to avoid vaccinations for ourselves and my children, and i would certainly encourage you to do the same.<br><br>
at the very least, i hope i have helped shift (through YOU) your father's perception that vaccination is an inherent part of being alive.
 

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Sounds like you are ready to sacrifice your child to prove to your father that you love him. That is a bit much. Your first responsibility is to protect your child. Your father is now in second place.<br><br>
You are the mother. You carried him for 9 months. You gave birth. He is your child. You have to decide what is right for him. Your father is the grandfather of the child. He had his say when you were a little girl.<br><br>
If you two agree, that is a different matter. But if there is a disagreement it is your say not his.<br><br>
Make that clear either by letter or in any way you can. He might sulk a while, but believe me, if/when he learns about vaccines, he will be so glad you stood your ground. And he will respect you for it.<br><br>
What if your child has a severe vaccine reaction? Will he take the blame. Yes he will, but it will kill him... don't pass that responsibility on to him. It is your responsibility to make health decisions for your child.<br><br>
Good luck!
 

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, NO! I'm not willing to sacrifice my baby! I'm just trying to make the right choice. I told him that I'm going to wait until I am comfortable with the decision that I'm making, and that I'm not going to give Elias any vaccinations with animal (or human) tissue in them.<br><br>
I talked to him last night and, oh my, I told him that they contain aborted fetus in it, and that regardless of the toxins in them, that was a non-negotiable. There is NO WAY that I'm injecting baby, monkey, cow, rabbit, or any other animal that was part of a living thing.<br><br>
It's not really an issue anymore I don't think. Thanks for your words. I am still researching, and still figureing things out. Thanks again!
 

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I lied to everyone who had a problem with it because they just wouldn't let up. Now I never hear of it from anyone-life is just easier now.<br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment">
 

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The thing is your dad has raised his child/ren. And now you are raising yours. Hes had his chance and now he needs to let you have yours.<br><br>
I agree you need to put your foot down NOW. Its not up for debate.
 
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