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Veggie help for a zone 5er?

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I'm in Michigan -- zone 5 and planning to start my first garden. I am wanting to go the SFG route, but I have a few questions.

First of all, I haven't started any seeds inside. Is it too late to do this?

Second, should I start everything from seeds outside, or should I start with seedlings?

Third, here is what I'm thinking of planting:
green beans
tomatoes
squash
peppers
sweet potatoes
peas
spinach
cucumber
carrots
lettuce
artichokes
onions
broccoli

too much, right? The thing is, I am going to build a four by four sfg, so I will have a lot of compartments, and I just think it will be fun to have a variety.

Any thoughts?
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http://www.chestnut-sw.com/growform.htm

Has a really easy "what to plant now" calendar. You put in your first and last frost dates and tell it that you're planning your spring garden and it tells you what to sow indoors and what outdoors. It also tells you when to harden off and transplant your indoor seedlings. (Sometimes that's annoying, I look at it and realize "well, if I had started seeds back in February, they'd be going in the garden now")

The variety you're planting seems fine to me. I personally have found that I don't know much about plants so I tend to do very poorly with them the first year I try and then do better the next year. This year my new plant is peas, poor things...
I have never had any luck with onions. i talked to a guy who runs a veggie stand hand he said sets were worthless in this area (granted i am a ways from michigan). he said you have to start them from seed in a green house.

I have never tried potatoes but other people in our community plot did ok.

carrots need to be kept in the ground for a long time. If they are well mulched they can usualy make it through the first frost.

One thing we have to contend with here is lots and lots of rain in April and May. SO even though it is warm enough to plant now I worry about too much rain. i am not sure if this is a concern with sfg but temp is not the only thing to consider around here.

it is not to late to start seeds inside. this is usualy when I start them. I forget which zone I am in but our planting date is June 1st. I don't think I will wait that long this year. But I usually do and most of the stuff on your list has time to grow.
My lettuces have survived thunderstorms, high winds, snow, freeze, and frost since I planted them here. It remains to be seen whether they'll actually grow to a usable size. (But they got their secondary leaves last week!)

ETA: And hail. I forgot to mention the hail. My poor little lettuces have been through so much in their first weeks of life.
I am in a warm zone 6. I am still sure you should plant your peas, lettuce, and spinach outdoors right away if possible, though, because we plant ours starting in February (This year it was early March due to late snows and my busy-ness) Same time with onions. I always grow my onion from seed--but make sure you get a variety that does well in the North, because day length is critical for onions. (Johnny's Selected Seeds is a great source for Northern-adapted variteies of all sorts of plants--most of their onions are NO good for my area! They show specific ideal latitudes for each of their varieties.)

Besides being tricky as far as varieties, onions are picky about fertility and drainage and hate weeds, and need to be started very early, which I think are a few reasons they are hard for growers in many parts of the country to grow.

My carrots and beets are already planted too, and you should try getting them in the ground well before the last frost date.

I think the indoor starting is questionable. Especially broccoli, which goes into the ground as ready (6-8 week old) transplants about three weeks before the last frost date. Pepper want eight weeks growth before planting--and a northern grower needs all the hot season possible to mature peppers. Tomatoes need a bit less time than peppers indoors, but just beware of the short season issues that make it hard for hot-season crops to produce before the early fall weather comes. Direct-seeding any of these will just be too slow, BTW.
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I am Zone 5 but not an experienced gardener.
I have my tomatoes started inside and planted lettuce, dill, and cilantro last weekend.
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Great, thanks everyone! I think I will just wait a bit and plant everything right outside. I'll have to remember to start sooner with the inside starting next year.
We're going to build our beds this weekend! (If it ever stops raining, that is.)
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I'm thinking you have grandiose plans for a very small lot. Even with 16 squares, you'd be able to plant like one plant of each variety in each square, which wouldn't yield enough for a meal of any particular veggie. I'd cut back your plant choices to maybe 3 and do a row of each. Squashes take a lot of room, as does the trellis used for beans and peas. You'd be able to stake or cage 1 tomato plant or one pepper plant per square to give the plant enough room to grow. I'm not terribly familiar with the philosophy of sfg, but I've gardened a lot, and had good success generally.

I"ve had best luck buying plants rather than starting from seed either inside or out (with the exception of beans, peas, carrots and radishes). You're assured to get healthy seedlings that aren't spindly or leggy, and just as many as you need without extras. I'm in zone 5 in NH and we start the hot veggies (tomato, pepper, zucchini, summer squash) on memorial day. Colder plants (carrot, peas, beans, leafys) can go in a couple weeks sooner.

I'm building a few cold frames this year to extend my growing season. That may be fun for you too!
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tomatoes-1 per square (use the bush sort not the vine sort, or plan on a vertical frame)
peppers-1 per square
peas-I planted 9 in a square, and am going to put in a little frame for them to climb up
cucumber-1 per square (again bush variety or put give it a frame)
carrots-16 per square
lettuce-4 per square for leaf, 1 for head (you can use the edges of the head lettuce's square for quick growers like radishes until the lettuce grows larger)
onions-16 per square with the usual caveat about them being hard to grow
broccoli-1 per square

On the squash, you might be better off giving the plants their own little garden patch with a climbing frame.
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tomatoes-1 per square (use the bush sort not the vine sort, or plan on a vertical frame)
peppers-1 per square
peas-I planted 9 in a square, and am going to put in a little frame for them to climb up
cucumber-1 per square (again bush variety or put give it a frame)
carrots-16 per square
lettuce-4 per square for leaf, 1 for head (you can use the edges of the head lettuce's square for quick growers like radishes until the lettuce grows larger)
onions-16 per square with the usual caveat about them being hard to grow
broccoli-1 per square

On the squash, you might be better off giving the plants their own little garden patch with a climbing frame.
Thanks, that helps a lot. I think we are going to do three 4 x 4s, so that should give us some more room. We will probably build a frame against one side of one of the garden for squash, or other plants to grow up. I'm excited!
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This year my new plant is peas, poor things..
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lol! that was just cute! thanks for starting this thread. i need to know the same thing. i have a huge area for a garden but havent done one since i moved into this house 3 years ago and there is really no excuse.
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http://www.chestnut-sw.com/growform.htm

Has a really easy "what to plant now" calendar.
That's a really useful link. Thanks.
Hi! I am not too far from you, I live near Kalamazoo.
Anyway...if you haven't started any seeds, I recommend just buying some already started plants. It is really hard to get things going from seed here, and they usually end up too leggy and dying off.
I am dying to get my raised beds built and get my veggies in!!!!
mythreesuns, thanks! I am going to buy plants this year and maybe start some seeds earlier next year.
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