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<p>My heater is broken.  I first figured this out about a month ago and called the property management office to report it.  Spoke with someone who said they would be right on it and then I waited...for a week.  We then e-mailed the office (to start a paper trail) and they responded that we had to take it up with the local utility provider.  I had PG&E come out and they crawled under my house and could not light the heater.  According to the tech the heater was in sorry shape and needs professional help (like me at this point lol!).  This process took another week.  We then called the property mgmt and they reported that they needed a special "tool" to light the heater so they would be out on monday (almost another week away).  We had many giggles thinking about saying "Hi!  Are you the tool who is going to fix the heater?" </p>
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<p>Monday came and went and no tool, so yesterday (Tues) we called. We were then told...oh, yeah...we have to rebuild your heater because you turned off the pilot light (hah!  we did no such thing, as we were told no when we asked.  Thus we had hot air coming out of the heater all summer). We were then told it would probably take a month to "work us into the schedule."  Give me a break!  All signs point to the fact that they knew they were going ti have to do this from the get-go and were putting us off.  We have now been wqithout heat for a month, and its going to be another month...at least.</p>
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<p>WTF?  Our house has no insullation so its usually about the same temp as outside by the morning.  I should have known when I moved in that there was an issue when I saw the two space heaters in  the shed.  The prop mgmt people have known about this problem for years.  Why can't they do the right thing and just put in a new damn heater??  One that's not a floor unit would be nice.</p>
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<p>What really burns me (pun...haha) is that this is the third bay area house I have rented that this has happened to me...all of them had floor heaters.  The last place we practically had to take them to court to get them to fix it!  Why??  I just get so mad thinking about Ms. Evilferret the property management lady all warm and snug in her own home while my kid freezes.</p>
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<p>Grrrr!</p>
 

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<p>Dh and I are landlords and have similar feelings about our property manager.  It seems to be a job a lot of people get into where they like collecting money but aren't altogether motivated to do much actual...managing?  I am sure there are some good, caring, wonderful managers out there, but ours is not.  Will be glad when dh is back and can do the managing himself.</p>
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<p>She is probably seeing you as numbers on a paper, and forgetting that you are people.  :(   You deserve to have the things that come with the rental in working order, and no matter how busy she may be, it is not fair to you to keep "forgetting" and having trouble working it in.  That is not good management.</p>
 

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<p>LOL about the tool.  <img alt="biglaugh.gif" src="http://files.mothering.com/images/smilies/biglaugh.gif"></p>
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<p>That is really frustrating.  At our last apartment, I had to threaten legal action almost every time we needed something fixed.  </p>
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<p>Check out your local laws and see what your options are.  If you're legally allowed to, tell them you'll be withholding rent until repairs are done.  That usually gets them moving faster. Plus, I'm thinking that heat is one of those things that you HAVE to have in order to make a place legally rentable/livable, and if they're not providing that you should have some recourse.</p>
 

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It is illegal for them to leave you w no heat. Period. Your response though is really going to depend on how long you're planning on living in that house. Do you pay for the repair and deduct it from the rent? Do you threaten legal action? Do you call the housing board?<br><br>
See, my landlord can get away w the no heat... He married me. <img alt="wink1.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.mothering.com/images/smilies/wink1.gif"> But in a rental, it is considered uninhabitable without heat. And hello! This is November! If you're gonna get it fixed though, i suggest you start calling around today. Between this weekend's weather forecast and the holiday, its gonna be tough to get someone next week.
 

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<p>It is illegal. Call them, and tell them you're giving them 24 hours before you call the housing board. If you know any property managers/landlords personally, I would get in contact with them, too. Sometimes they have useful advice.</p>
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It is illegal for them to leave you w no heat. Period. Your response though is really going to depend on how long you're planning on living in that house. Do you pay for the repair and deduct it from the rent? Do you threaten legal action? Do you call the housing board?<br>
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<p>It's complicated.</p>
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<p>I know its illegal (having dealt with this when I lived in Napa not that long ago).  But we are currently living in faculty housing and paying ridiculously little for our rent, especially for this area.  Probably about half of market rate.  Ms. Evilferret is the same lady that makes the decisions about who gets to remain in their units year to year...and so if I rock the boat too much we could end up out and having to find a "real" place to live next year.  Since I have not been able to find a job in my field since moving here that would put us up a major creek.</p>
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<p>At the same time I hate that we are being taken advantage of.  Ms. Evilferret has status issues and she does not feel we rank very high; thus we do not require much attention (I know this because she told us... can you believe it?).  Overall I am ok with this as we have it pretty good here anyways (and because I do not covet a bigger house or whatever).  But when it comes to the safety and comfort of my child it is a whole different game.  It kills me that she simply does not care that my baby is freezing, or that my husband's father will be visiting next week (and he has major health issues and is on blood thinners).  She just does not care.  She has made it clear that she finds the tenants she services to be a pack of entitled whiners.  Maybe some are (I was pretty bemused by some of the demands another professor friend of mine made...and she got what she wanted!) but I do not think it out of line to expect heat.  The last couple who lived in this house had a baby in April which meant she was hugely pregnant when their heater was broken.  Not cool.</p>
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<p>They dropped off a space heater yesterday <span><img alt="eyesroll.gif" src="http://files.mothering.com/images/smilies/eyesroll.gif"> so at least the house was 57 this morning instead of 47.  Its pretty pathetic that we have to open up all the windows and doors in the afternoon to warm up the place in November though.  Plus it is really hard to find safe places for space heaters with a 16mo old in the house.</span></p>
 

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<p>Hugs!!  Our heater also broke last week and the repairman told me he knew which heater it was as soon as he pulled into the driveway.  He has been telling the landlord that it needs to be cleaned for TWO YEARS and the landlady has refused to do a thing!  He couldn't get hold of here while here to find out if he should fix or replace, so he left.  I finally got an email from her today that the repairman is coming on Monday.  Perhaps it is a coincidence that our rent check cleared the bank today?  but I think not.  I don't think this woman had the money, and I am pretty darn sure she has spent our deposit.  We just moved in two months ago, we are not moving again for at least 4 years, so I guess we'll just have to suck it up and kiss her butt for half a decade more LOL.  And, of course, come to MDC and rant about it!</p>
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<p>Sorry you're going through this.  No heat sucks, and having someone not even give a rats behind that you don't have heat is double sucky.</p>
 

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On the subject of space heaters, you may want to get one of your own. I know the one we have i absolutely dont worry about DS being around. It has a plastic grill, so it cant burn to the touch, it has a thermostat so it's not constantly running and it has an tip switch, so if he knocks it over it shuts off. And then i mostly just keep him in fleece footed sleepers (Costco has them for $7 right now). So far hes been fine w no heat and just the sleepers (we havent pulled the heater out this year yet).
 

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<p>No real input on getting the heater fixed. Sorry it is such a hassle and I understand not wanting to make too much of a fuss so you can keep an affordable place next year.</p>
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<p>We bought an oil filled radiator recently and it might work well for you and your child. It doesn't get hot enough to burn and warms up the room. It was about $40.</p>
 

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On the subject of space heaters, you may want to get one of your own. I know the one we have i absolutely dont worry about DS being around. It has a plastic grill, so it cant burn to the touch, it has a thermostat so it's not constantly running and it has an tip switch, so if he knocks it over it shuts off. And then i mostly just keep him in fleece footed sleepers (Costco has them for $7 right now). So far hes been fine w no heat and just the sleepers (we havent pulled the heater out this year yet).</div>
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Cristeen: thanks for pointing out that the plastic ones can't burn...we have one like that but I hadn't thought much about it <span><img alt="nut.gif" src="http://files.mothering.com/images/smilies/nut.gif">.  I could probably put that one in the livingroom (when my husband isn't stealing it for the bathroom..."but that one heats faster!".  Yeah but its also totally in the way in our tiny bathroom.).  Ah marrwage! </span></p>
<p><span>We've been putting the kid in those fleece sleepers with a long-sleeve onsie and babylegs underneath, and sometimes he still wakes up freezing (although that was before I broke out the space heaters).  He's fine when he's moving around, but he had refused to sleep under any covers (although this week has seen a change in that...he is learning that no covers=brrrrrrr).</span></p>
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<p><span>Ramama:  We too want to stay in this place for five years or so, thus it makes this whole process even more frustrating.  Usually we move once a year so we figure we'll have better luck next time...but not this time, so they have to get it right!</span></p>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>MisaGoat</strong> <a href="/community/forum/thread/1280119/vent-i-am-so-freaking-tired-of-renting-from-people-who-could-give-a-rat-s-a#post_16056765"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>No real input on getting the heater fixed. Sorry it is such a hassle and I understand not wanting to make too much of a fuss so you can keep an affordable place next year.</p>
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<p>We bought an oil filled radiator recently and it might work well for you and your child. It doesn't get hot enough to burn and warms up the room. It was about $40.</p>
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We have two of the radiators set up right now.  I love the heat they give off and the fact they do not have a noisy fan.  They get pretty hot though...enough so that I lost some fingerprints today when I tried to move one while it was on.  Too hot for me to be comfortable with the kid being able to access them easily.</p>
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<p>Can't you anonymously call your local housing board?  Report her.  She has to follow the law even if she doesn't like it.  Also, if she is just the manager and not the owner, you might want to let the owner know.  Or if it is faculty housing, contact the school.</p>
 
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Chamomile Girl</strong> <a href="/community/forum/thread/1280119/vent-i-am-so-freaking-tired-of-renting-from-people-who-could-give-a-rat-s-a#post_16056787"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><p><span>We've been putting the kid in those fleece sleepers with a long-sleeve onsie and babylegs underneath, and sometimes he still wakes up freezing (although that was before I broke out the space heaters).  He's fine when he's moving around, but he had refused to sleep under any covers (although this week has seen a change in that...he is learning that no covers=brrrrrrr).</span></p>
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Try wool under the pjs instead of cotton. A's starting to tolerate covers some, but the wool keeps him toasty even if he kicks them off. I put him in longies and a long-sleeve wool/silk tee shirt under his pjs (I also have wool socks for when the temp drops). The tee stays on all the time, but the longies come off in the AM or he's too hot during the day.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Chamomile Girl</strong> <a href="/community/forum/thread/1280119/vent-i-am-so-freaking-tired-of-renting-from-people-who-could-give-a-rat-s-a#post_16056791"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br><br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>MisaGoat</strong> <a href="/community/forum/thread/1280119/vent-i-am-so-freaking-tired-of-renting-from-people-who-could-give-a-rat-s-a#post_16056765"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>No real input on getting the heater fixed. Sorry it is such a hassle and I understand not wanting to make too much of a fuss so you can keep an affordable place next year.</p>
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<p>We bought an oil filled radiator recently and it might work well for you and your child. It doesn't get hot enough to burn and warms up the room. It was about $40.</p>
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We have two of the radiators set up right now.  I love the heat they give off and the fact they do not have a noisy fan.  They get pretty hot though...enough so that I lost some fingerprints today when I tried to move one while it was on.  Too hot for me to be comfortable with the kid being able to access them easily.</p>
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Ouch, I haven't felt ours get that hot.</p>
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<p>Hopefully your heat will be fixed soon.</p>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>New_Natural_Mom</strong> <a href="/community/forum/thread/1280119/vent-i-am-so-freaking-tired-of-renting-from-people-who-could-give-a-rat-s-a#post_16056926"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>Can't you anonymously call your local housing board?  Report her.  She has to follow the law even if she doesn't like it.  Also, if she is just the manager and not the owner, you might want to let the owner know.  Or if it is faculty housing, contact the school.</p>
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<p>This.</p>
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<p>You might be able to get her fired which would teach her an important lesson about following the law when you're a property manager.<br>
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