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I really want to cloth diaper! But she pees through everything... even the AIOs and they're suppose to be waterproof!! I thought I had our problem figured out, I thought it was the inserts I had bought for the pocket diapers. Well no, she still pees through the thicker inserts I recently bought and pees through the AIOs. I just don't know what else to do. Why do they say the AIOs and the AIO pocket diapers are waterproof but mine aren't? I'm so frustrated! I'm thinking of going to the prefolded ones and covers because these "waterproof" diapers are faaaaaar from waterproof! Anyway, sorry, had to vent!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I really want to cloth diaper! But she pees through everything... even the AIOs and they're suppose to be waterproof!! I thought I had our problem figured out, I thought it was the inserts I had bought for the pocket diapers. Well no, she still pees through the thicker inserts I recently bought and pees through the AIOs. I just don't know what else to do. Why do they say the AIOs and the AIO pocket diapers are waterproof but mine aren't? I'm so frustrated! I'm thinking of going to the prefolded ones and covers because these "waterproof" diapers are faaaaaar from waterproof! Anyway, sorry, had to vent!</div>
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Did the problem start immediately, or after a couple of wash cycles?<br><br>
Is the pee coming out through the legs/waist or through the cover?<br><br>
Is the insert soaked when the diaper starts leaking, or is it relatively dry?<br><br>
If the problem started after a couple of wash cycles and the insert isn't soaked when it starts leaking, the problem is probably a detergent/repelling issue.<br><br>
If the pee is leaking through the cover and not out the legs/waist, it could be a PUL problem. Drying the covers for about 10-15 minutes on hot will reseal the PUL. (If the covers are NOT PUL, don't do this).<br><br>
If the inserts are soaked before the leak begins, then it's a pee amount problem. We generally only get 2 hours with the standard inserts. If I stuff with a large prefold though, we can get 12 hours. (I do this when he's having a diaper rash issue, for overnight; otherwise we just use straight prefolds+PUL cover overnight.)
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Do your AIO's have "breathable PUL"? I have always wondered if that would cause leaking.</div>
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Some of mine are breathable and some aren't. At least that's what the description of the diapers said when I bought them.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Did the problem start immediately, or after a couple of wash cycles?<br><br>
Is the pee coming out through the legs/waist or through the cover?<br><br>
Is the insert soaked when the diaper starts leaking, or is it relatively dry?<br><br>
If the problem started after a couple of wash cycles and the insert isn't soaked when it starts leaking, the problem is probably a detergent/repelling issue.<br><br>
If the pee is leaking through the cover and not out the legs/waist, it could be a PUL problem. Drying the covers for about 10-15 minutes on hot will reseal the PUL. (If the covers are NOT PUL, don't do this).<br><br>
If the inserts are soaked before the leak begins, then it's a pee amount problem. We generally only get 2 hours with the standard inserts. If I stuff with a large prefold though, we can get 12 hours. (I do this when he's having a diaper rash issue, for overnight; otherwise we just use straight prefolds+PUL cover overnight.)</div>
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Yes to both questions. I started using cloth, I think it's been 2 weeks now. I washed them once before use, I looked up the best detergent to use and decided to go with Purex Free and Clear. Sometimes she's wet on the side of her legs and sometimes it's the whole diaper. It's all just frustarting, I spent almost $200 on all these diapers and I'm thinking it was a waste and my husband isn't any happier....I had to beg him to buy cloth.
 

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Wash with no soap and dry then try to use a AIO pocket with the doubler or prefold next to her instead of the micro fleece. Sometimes for fast peeers there neede to be an absorbent material first to allow time for the micro fleece to pull it in. And if it is the PUL leaking you need more absorbancy.
 

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My DD is a super wetter. I stuff our pockets with premium indian prefolds and our night diapers get stuffed with a toddler Chinese prefold. And I have found that the All Together AIO will hold for at least an hour or two. I reach for these on trips. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
What diapers are you using?
 

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Nothing beats a prefold and a cover (I like wool a lot, but also use whisper wraps a lot). I always go back to prefolds--they totally rock. They're the most economical, easiest to wash, and work the best! Try a snappi and prefolds, they rock.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Yes to both questions. I started using cloth, I think it's been 2 weeks now. I washed them once before use, I looked up the best detergent to use and decided to go with Purex Free and Clear. Sometimes she's wet on the side of her legs and sometimes it's the whole diaper. It's all just frustarting, I spent almost $200 on all these diapers and I'm thinking it was a waste and my husband isn't any happier....I had to beg him to buy cloth.</div>
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Okay, if it's leaking and the insert isn't completely, completely soaked, it's a repelling issue; either detergent or diaper cream-related.<br><br>
Do you know if you have hard or soft water?<br><br>
If hard, see if you can find Calgon, if soft, Borax. I can find these both at my local grocery in the detergent aisle; Target carries Borax but not Calgon.<br><br>
Run a warm wash cycle with just Calgon/Borax (it's 1/4 cup or 1/2 lid for the Calgon, I think it's a scoop for the Borax) and pull the washer open after a couple of minutes of agitation. If there are a bunch of suds in the water, the detergent you're using is part of the issue. Run a couple of cycles with the Calgon/Borax until there are no suds.<br><br>
Since this was part of our issues, I have just continued using my "bad" detergent, BTW, I simply do an additional rinse each wash with 1/4 cup Calgon.<br><br>
The other question: has ANY diaper rash cream been used on ANY of the cloth diapers which may have been washed with the others? What I've discovered is that the real problem with diaper rash cream is that if it's used on one diaper and then that diaper is washed with others, the grease from the cream gets into the water during the wash and coats all of them, making them all repell. An overnight soak with Dawn dish liquid will de-grease them.<br><br>
It also sounds like the inserts are sometimes part of the issue, if sometimes the insert is soaked through. In that case: you're going to have to learn when your babe pees heavy or find better inserts for your pockets (I think you're kind of stuck with the AIOs). If you want slim, you want hemp inserts. If you don't care about the bubble butt, I've found that prefolds beat everything. You can also double-stuff the inserts you have now.
 

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I just started CDong a month ago. DOn't give up yet. My HH's are leaking and I am bound and determined to get them to work because I paid so much for them. So I understand that issue.<br>
It does sound like repelling.<br>
I think the diaper cream question is a good one? Are you using anything<br>
Change detergents. I use regular tide.<br>
Are they all AIO or do you have some pockets?<br>
Don't give up yet. These mamas have a lot of experience and a lot of helpful advice. Please be patient and tell DH to chill <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">
 

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If you only washed them once, then maybethe inserts weren't properly broken in in the first place. Of course, I don't know what brand of diaper you're using, but with most of them, they require a few washes to fluff up the cotton, hemp or what have you.<br><br>
Try washing your inserts in HOT, like turn up the hot water heater hot, and wash maybe 3 or 4 hot washes. Dry and try them again.<br><br>
I have no experience with synthetic fleece AIO's but I have used my share of PUL ones, and truly, I prefer prefolds and wool.<br><br>
Other than repelling, maybe you just need to change her more often.<br><br>
Cloth is a big change when you're used to sposies. It holds much less pee than a sposie, and the only thing comparable to me is a prefold or an Under the Nile fitted they both absorb quickly, great for flooders.<br><br>
I would try to strip them, and if that doesn't work, then maybe go to diaperswappers and sell them ALL as a lot and try some UTN fitteds or Baby's textiles prefolds. Out of all the dipes we've tried those 2 are my favorites.<br>
Baby's textiles are thicker and more absorbent than Thirstie's...which for the life of me I can't figure out why they are praised so. Thirsties are trim, but don't hold much wetness either <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shrug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shrug">:
 

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I have 7 pocket diapers, the rest are AIOs. She's sleeping in a pocket right now and I put 2 extra inserts in there along with the thicker insert. So we'll see. I really like your site! Very cute! If I spend anymore money though, DH will stick me in a pocket, lol.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Okay, if it's leaking and the insert isn't completely, completely soaked, it's a repelling issue; either detergent or diaper cream-related.<br><br>
Do you know if you have hard or soft water?<br><br>
If hard, see if you can find Calgon, if soft, Borax. I can find these both at my local grocery in the detergent aisle; Target carries Borax but not Calgon.<br><br>
Run a warm wash cycle with just Calgon/Borax (it's 1/4 cup or 1/2 lid for the Calgon, I think it's a scoop for the Borax) and pull the washer open after a couple of minutes of agitation. If there are a bunch of suds in the water, the detergent you're using is part of the issue. Run a couple of cycles with the Calgon/Borax until there are no suds.<br><br>
Since this was part of our issues, I have just continued using my "bad" detergent, BTW, I simply do an additional rinse each wash with 1/4 cup Calgon.<br><br>
The other question: has ANY diaper rash cream been used on ANY of the cloth diapers which may have been washed with the others? What I've discovered is that the real problem with diaper rash cream is that if it's used on one diaper and then that diaper is washed with others, the grease from the cream gets into the water during the wash and coats all of them, making them all repell. An overnight soak with Dawn dish liquid will de-grease them.<br><br>
It also sounds like the inserts are sometimes part of the issue, if sometimes the insert is soaked through. In that case: you're going to have to learn when your babe pees heavy or find better inserts for your pockets (I think you're kind of stuck with the AIOs). If you want slim, you want hemp inserts. If you don't care about the bubble butt, I've found that prefolds beat everything. You can also double-stuff the inserts you have now.</div>
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Thanks! You're all a big help! I'll have to try the Calgon idea and see if that works. Ok, another thing....... I poured a bit of water on 1 of my AIOs and it seeped right through...good. Then I did it again today to another AIO and it didn't seep through, it just rolled off. So that's an absorbency problem, right? I don't understand why.... I went to this site and it gave which laundry detergents are good and which are bad and I obviously bought a good one. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">: I stopped using dryer sheets and she's never used diaper rash cream. Ok... with the prefolds......do the covers that go over them seal to the legs like a disposable would? I looked at some pics and they look just like a pocket or an AIO looks.
 

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What <i>kind</i> of pockets and AIOs are they?<br><br>
My bg AIO leaked through the first two times I used it. I used seventh gen baby detergent to prewash. Oops!<br>
Once I washed with Tide haven't had a problem.<br>
I use hemp under the fleece in pockets for naps and nite.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I just started CDong a month ago. DOn't give up yet. My HH's are leaking and I am bound and determined to get them to work because I paid so much for them. So I understand that issue.<br>
It does sound like repelling.<br>
I think the diaper cream question is a good one? Are you using anything<br>
Change detergents. I use regular tide.<br>
Are they all AIO or do you have some pockets?<br>
Don't give up yet. These mamas have a lot of experience and a lot of helpful advice. Please be patient and tell DH to chill <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"></div>
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Thanks! I'm determined to cloth, I DO NOT want to buy disposable anymore. No, haven't used any diaper rash cream. Ok, the site I looked at said Tide is bad for diapers.....is this wrong? I have 7 pockets and about 10 AIOs. It's all just to frustrating.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">What <i>kind</i> of pockets and AIOs are they?<br><br>
My bg AIO leaked through the first two times I used it. I used seventh gen baby detergent to prewash. Oops!<br>
Once I washed with Tide haven't had a problem.<br>
I use hemp under the fleece in pockets for naps and nite.</div>
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The pockets are swaddlebees and the AIOs are from various WAHMs. I think this has been answered before, not sure.... but would I use the cloth diapers they sell at like wal-mart as inserts?
 

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don't use the cloth diapers from walmart.. for one, they suck. for another, those are pretty much guaranteed to be gerber, which is currently owned by nestle... and they suck, too.<br>
if you want to buy something from walmart which is cheap and works well, go to the automotive department and get the microfiber towels. or you could buy the cheapo pack of washcloths, but the microfiber from the automotive department soaks up more.<br><br>
If the pee just rolls off the top of the AIO and doesn't soak through, that's called repelling. test the rest and see if they all do that or if it's just that one. any of them that do that need to be stripped or washed on hot a few more times.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">don't use the cloth diapers from walmart.. for one, they suck. for another, those are pretty much guaranteed to be gerber, which is currently owned by nestle... and they suck, too.<br>
if you want to buy something from walmart which is cheap and works well, go to the automotive department and get the microfiber towels. or you could buy the cheapo pack of washcloths, but the microfiber from the automotive department soaks up more.<br><br>
If the pee just rolls off the top of the AIO and doesn't soak through, that's called repelling. test the rest and see if they all do that or if it's just that one. any of them that do that need to be stripped or washed on hot a few more times.</div>
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Oh wow, I didn't know Gerber was owned by Nestle! Thanks for the info! You all have been great!
 

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Oh I'm so happy, lol. She just woke up from her nap and I didn't have to change her clothes!!!!!! Maybe the 2 extra inserts helped..... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
I still plan on doing what you all have told me, rewashing and all that. Thanks for all the help so far.
 

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yeah, gerber got bought out by nestle.. sometime this past year. I was miffed 'cause i was planning on getting the cheapo gerber onesies and such for dd when she was born, but i can't in good conscience buy anything from nestle, so, ::sigh::.
 
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