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I've woken up a couple of times to find DD breathing very shallow. I have a stethoscope and used it to listen to her heart, and even right over her heart couldn't hear it at first (with either side of the stethoscope). When I did find it, it was pretty slow, like about 50bpm. Once I disturbed her a little, I could feel her heartbeat with my hand thru her chest and it had sped up as well. She wakes about 3x a night to nurse and is easily disturbed during the night. Most times if I move her at all or move away from touching her, she startles awake and starts stretching and then diving for a breast. She goes to bed about 10:30 and gets up around 9:30. The low weak heartbeat concerns me. Sleap apnea? She does not snore ever. She doesn't show signs during the day of being sleepy. She takes one nap if that. Although some days she is cranky for no reason. Is this dangerous? Do we need a sleep study? Her heart won't just stop on us will it? This really scares me. DH thought it was normal and she was just sleeping deep, but the more I think about it the more I'm not so sure.<br><br>
It's happened twice that I've caught. The first time I was sleeping alone with her and had moved over in the bed thinking that if I separated myself from her more she would sleep better. I woke up in a fog and she didn't look like she was breathing. I shook her and tried to wake her and had a hard time. I sat her up and she kinda rolled her eyes at me and went back to sleep. I watched her for a few more minutes and then went in the next room and woke up DH crying. He said I probably just woke up when she normally does and my brain registered that as something wrong and that she was just deep sleeping. I have OCD and the light in room is pretty dim, so i decided he was right. Last night was the night I woke and used the stethoscope.
 

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I don't know if it is normal, but I definitely think it is worth a trip to the doctor.
 

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True, but 50bpm would even be a fairly low resting heart rate for an adult -- the only people I know with resting heart rates that low are long-distance runners. For a toddler, a normal resting heart rate is 80-120bpm. It could be that this is normal for the OP's DD, but it wouldn't hurt to mention it at her next check-up.
 

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Mothers intuition is always something to take seriously...maybe discuss it with your Ped?
 

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My rule of thumb is, if you're worried take her to the doctor. There's nothing wrong with going and making sure that everything is OK. My doctor as always told me they'd rather see a healthy baby 100 times than miss the one baby that was really sick.<br><br>
In saying that, DS breathing goes quite shallow when he is in a deep sleep, so much so that I have to check that he's breathing, but I think that's a pretty common occurance in babies and toddlers.
 

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The ped set up an appt with the ENT tomorrow morning. She said she still wants to rule out obstructional things first, even though there was no snoring or anything (she's seen it before with no snoring). I'm nervous about this appt. I hate having to hold DD down for things and there's no way she's gonna volunteer her nose and throat for invasion. It will probably traumatize me more than her.<br><br>
If it turns out that her adenoids are enlarged, I wonder can we then move onto sleep study with pulse ox to see if it's affecting her enough to warrant surgery. If it doesn't, won't she just kinda grow out of this as she outgrows her adenoids basically?<br><br>
I'm nervous, but relieved I'm checking it out. I just HATE going to doctors. Especially ENT or ped during cold/flu season.
 

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Went to the ENT this morning and that was a non-event. He looked in her left ear, and wanted to clean it out to look better (her ped looked 2wks ago), looked at her throat for 2 seconds, looked up her nose without any tool of any kind, and said, "Well, her tonsils aren't enlarged and usually the adenoids follow the same pattern, but the only way to know is to scope her." When pressed, he said that if we did decide to use a scope to look that he could do it sedated or not. I asked about the x-ray, and he said that it would show the adenoids but may not show other types of obstructions. When I told what I had noticed at night and asked his opinion, he said he couldn't give one without looking.<br><br>
I don't want to traumatize her with a scope without knowing if the breathing is an issue in the first place. If I thought her O2 was dropping or something like that, then I'd want to find the reason, but it seems scoping at this point is cart before the horse?<br><br>
Opinions?<br><br>
Thanks!
 

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Ped's office called and said if it happens again to go get the scope. I said I'd rather do pulse ox sleep study next and that if it happened again, I'd rather talk to ped first before subjecting DD to something potentially traumatic. They just said ok. I wonder are they not pursuing this further because they aren't really worried about it or because I refused the scope this time. I wonder if this is something I should be worried about.<br><br>
I watched her sleep some last night and during her nap and her first part of sleep last night, her breathing was deep and normal and thru her nose. It seems like when I notice this is when her deepest sleep would be, around 3:00am. maybe I should stay up one night and watch her breathing patterns, and if the shallow breathing comes on slowly and then becomes deep again, then it's probably a sleep pattern? I want to do the right thing here. Was I wrong to say I didn't want the scope yet?
 

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I would push for the sleep study.
 
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