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I was wondering what people are doing about the Vitamin K shot? I am leaning toward not doing it....the oral is not an option at the practice i am in....thanks, j
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I'm not totally sure yet. I'd like to skip it, but until the babes actually arrive I won't know what they need. KWIM? But I'm in a waaaaay different situation than you are.

My thought has always been if the babe doesn't need it, why do it?
Below is just a re-post of something I posted on another thread. If you search, though, you'll find tons of threads on the vit K in Pregnancy and Birth and on the vax boards.

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Originally Posted by NYCVeg
For everyone's info: I did some hard (i.e., not internet) research on the vitamin K shot and was a little bit surprised by what I found. Here's a summary:

Although most people think that the vit K will help with "traumatic" births (circ, bruising, forceps, etc.), this is actually not what it's for. It's for spontaneous brain hemmorhage, which has no identifiable cause, affects 1 in 10,000 newborns, and is fatal. Now, 1 in 10,000 is a VERY low risk; I think it's very reasonable to decline the vitamin K with those odds. On the other hand, the odds of brain hemmorhage with the vitamin K shot are 1 in 1,000,000.

I expected that "modern" delivery--forceps, vacuums, circ, etc.--would make brain hemmorhage more likely, but I was surprised to learn that the hemmorhage risk (1 in 10,000) has been consistent for over a century (since the late 1800), since it was first studied. Again, the odds are still very, very small--but the risk doesn't go down just because you don't circ, birth isn't traumatic, etc.

There was a study tentatively linking vitamin K shots to leukemia--but it's over a decade old (I forget the name of the doctor who did it...Goddard?), has never been duplicated, and has been seriously questioned by further research, at least according to what I've read. On the other hand, there is no definitive proof either way (the numbers are too small to rule anything in or out definitely), so you need to decide if you think there's a real risk. I think it's worth tracking down both the original study and the subsequent ones that deal with it, if you really want to make an informed choice.

My mws have been practicing for around 20 years and say that they've never had anyone have any complications from the vitamin K...and they've never had anyone have complications from NOT having it.
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I think that is great info but just because the baby doesn't react right away doesn't meant there is no long term consequenses. Having said that there are certain conditions I would concent for. Definately not for a untraumatic delivery. I believe that at least some of the brain hemmorhages are due to excessive force at delivery whether from doc or midwife even back in the 1800s. JMO
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I think that is great info but just because the baby doesn't react right away doesn't meant there is no long term consequenses. Having said that there are certain conditions I would concent for. Definately not for a untraumatic delivery. I believe that at least some of the brain hemmorhages are due to excessive force at delivery whether from doc or midwife even back in the 1800s. JMO
Yes, I agree with you. I haven't decided 100% what I'll do; honestly, I think the most compelling reason for not getting the vit K is the fact that all human babies are born with low levels--which suggests that there may very well be a reason for the "low" levels, even if we don't know what they are. I am reminded about a study I read recently about how kids who have their tonsils removed are at higher risk for certain conditions as adults (throat problems? respiratory problems? I can't remember). I remember growing up hearing that the tonsils were just useless, vestigial organs...turns out, maybe not so much (unless it's the surgery, and not the lack of tonsils that accounts for the problems?).

I do think, however, that of newborn "procedures" the vit K seems less risky (to me) than many of the others. As with all these decisions, I think you just have to do your research and see where your comfort lies.

Oh, and to the OP: I've heard of mamas declining the shot but taking lots of alfalfa supplements themselves to boost the vit K in their breastmilk. It's never been studied, but it might be worth researching if you do decide to decline.
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Not doing it unless we have to transport for some reason. We'll reevaluate if we transport. My reasoning is that it might possibly be helpful for traumatic birth and if it happens at home as planned, it won't be traumatic enough to warrant anything like that.
Personally, I wouldn't do it it again. I'm not worried about dd or anything but I'm not fully convinced now that they need it.
I have to ask my MWs what they do about this. I tried to refuse it at the hospital last time and get the oral and they got pissy and said that it wasn't as effective. It was lower on my list of big concerns to I just gave in. I was tired.

NYC, thanks for your research! I always love the way you think. In your research did you find out anything about what else is in the shot? That may determine my decision, ultimately.
I am on the fence. The reseach I did (online) found that the vit K shot is bound by petrochemicals. It isn't actually pure vitamin k, so that is my issue with it. I also feel that when we breast-feed the baby will get exactly what he/she needs. Perhaps there is a homeopathic substitute? I am going to have another discussion with my mid-wife, I am not sure whether the oral tx is offered.

Please keep sharing any info. you all find.
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I have to ask my MWs what they do about this. I tried to refuse it at the hospital last time and get the oral and they got pissy and said that it wasn't as effective. It was lower on my list of big concerns to I just gave in. I was tired.

NYC, thanks for your research! I always love the way you think. In your research did you find out anything about what else is in the shot? That may determine my decision, ultimately.
There is a small amount of preservative (benzyl alcohol, I think?), from what I remember. The vit K is (obviously) synthetic, as well, if that makes a difference to you.
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There is a small amount of preservative (benzyl alcohol, I think?), from what I remember. The vit K is (obviously) synthetic, as well, if that makes a difference to you.
No, not obvious to me.
Didn't do so much research during my last pg on this and have been knee-deep in reseraching vax and diet issues for my family the last three months. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
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I don't think my mw does this. I got info on the newborn screening and would think info on it would have been in my packet if she did it. Either way my dc isn't recieving any shot.
I'm just not sure yet. Constantly trying to do my research on so many things. Whew, so many decisions!
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Originally Posted by NYCVeg
Although most people think that the vit K will help with "traumatic" births (circ, bruising, forceps, etc.), this is actually not what it's for. It's for spontaneous brain hemmorhage, which has no identifiable cause, affects 1 in 10,000 newborns, and is fatal.
That was my understanding as well, and we were planning to decline. But then ds did have a "traumatic" birth and the MWs ended up convincing us to give him the shot to help with the bruising
: . I feel that they used the situation (melodramatic home birth with lots of emergency personnel at the end) to scare us into doing something that we had already decided against. We will definitely decline this time. I hated having my newborn get a shot
...as if he hadn't gone through enough at that point.
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From the mothering homepage, list of questions:

"What are the risks/benefits to letting your baby have a shot of vitamin K after birth?"

Today there are many reasons to de-dramatize the topic and to reassure at the same time the parents who are inclined to refuse the shot and also those who prefer to do it.

To the parents who refuse the injection, we can say that they don't take a great risk, since the chances of their breastfed baby having a hemorrhagic disease related to vitamin K deficiency is in the region of one in 15,000. It is even probable that the risks are still lower if the birth and the initiation of lactation were undisturbed. My view is that vitamin K deficiency of breastfed babies is probably no more physiological than the weight loss in newborn babies. After thousands of years of culturally controlled childbirth and lactation, we usually underestimate the amount of 'colostral milk', and therefore of vitamin K, a human baby has been programmed to consume during the first days following birth.

A well-constructed Japanese study showed that babies who consume 350 ml of breast milk in the first three days following birth are protected against vitamin K deficiency. Let us also remember that vitamin K deficiency is unheard of among formula fed babies.

Some parents who accepted the injection might feel guilty or anxious afterwards when hearing about two British studies suggesting that vitamin K injected at birth (not vitamin K given orally) is a risk factor for cancer in childhood. These parents must be reassured as well because the British findings have not been confirmed by other studies, particularly a huge authoritative Swedish study involving more than one million children. However one cannot hide the fact that the routine injection of 1 mg of vitamin K at birth is always associated with the injection of 10 mg propylene glycol and 5 mg phenol, the effects of which are unknown.
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I'm also on the fence about this one. I might let them do it. You know, I just wish they would have a check off list in the hosp for things you do/do not want and that they'd just respect your decision and leave you alone about it. I hate confrontations and am worried I'll be to exhausted after baby to stick to my guns. Hopefully the birth plan will help!
I was just talking about this with my midwives today. They offer the oral instead of the shot; this seems pretty unobtrusive to me, but are the concerns for the shot the same as for oral?
I am also un-decided. I spoke with my mid-wife she said I may have difficultity not getting the vitamin K. It is mandatory in our state. I asked about the oral vitamin K and she said I would need to speak with my ped. My ped. did not recommend the oral saying it was difficult to know how much to administer. So I think I may just have to see what happens when we go to the hospital.
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I am also un-decided. I spoke with my mid-wife she said I may have difficultity not getting the vitamin K. It is mandatory in our state. I asked about the oral vitamin K and she said I would need to speak with my ped. My ped. did not recommend the oral saying it was difficult to know how much to administer. So I think I may just have to see what happens when we go to the hospital.
There is really no such thing as a "mandatory" procedure. Health care professionals may tell you that, but you can ALWAYS opt out. Worst case scenario is that you have to sign something saying you declined against medical advice.
After much research, we have decided to decline the Vitamin K. The possible links to Leukemia are scary, but that is not the main reason we decided to decline. My primary reason is that I have a hard time believing that babies are born "deficient" in something that they need to survive! How do health "professionals" say that babies have "low" levels...compared to who? Adults who are 10 times the size of infants? To me it is slightly absurd. Nature just simply could not have screwed something like that up. Women have been giving birth for MANY years, and never needed a Vitamin K shot- my mom never had to get one for me, and she also didn't have to get Rhogam at 28 weeks, or a Glucose Challenge test for that matter. There just seems to be so many medical interventions that are meant to protect a very small population, but have become umbrella policies because of liability issues. My doctor explained it to me like this: Eye ointment is only needed to prevent blindness in babies whose mothers have Gonhorrea, yet we can't look at a patient and say...hmmm, she looks like she sleeps around, lets give HER baby the ointment, and then look at another women and assume her to be clean- it is discrimination. Basically unless you do your research you subject your infant to a whole lot of stuff that isn't really needed just so doctors can cover their ass. I love this message board by the way, it is very helpful to read what other similar-minded mommies opted to do and not do.
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