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Walmart for "Natural Living"??

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I expect to get flamed for bringing this up. But I don't want to argue, only point out an observation:

I'm fairly new here and not as "crunchy" as many members seem to be, but I'm amazed at the number of times people mention buying something at Walmart. I'm not going to search for, or quote any specific examples, but I've occasionally seen people suggest Walmart when other members ask where they might be able to find something, or people mention the money they save by shopping there.

With Walmart being one of the worst companies when it comes to the use of child labor, failure to promote women, damage to the environment, discrimination against people with disabilities (the list goes on and on!), promoting or shopping at Walmart seems to go against most of the ideals that are represented here.

Just a thought! While I run for cover, does anyone have any insights on this?
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yes we have some unrepentant Walmart lovers, and even some Walmart employees.

Most of us HATE Walmart though!! Me included.
I *try* hard to not shop there. I go maybe once/twice a year. Usually because I've looked everywhere else or everywhere else is closed. I also wonder how many other companies (Target, etc) have such awful practices too and we just don't know about it. It's gotten to the point where when buying anything from pretty much anywhere I have to feel guilty, KWIM?
Just want to chime in, my DH works at walmart. I am not proud of it, but a job is a job, and I can't get him to change where he works. He loves it, and our well being depends on him working.

I figure all the great stuff I do for the environment and natural living balances it out
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Not everyone lives on a 6 digit salary, or two that add up that way...

All anyone can do is her best.

Where we cut costs by buying a few items at Wallieworld allows us the room to help keep our local Giant Eagle in business by doing our main shopping there.

For my weaving business, such as it is, the $1 per cone that I save by getting the exact same yarn there instead of elsewhere gives me $ to support the independent yarn/supply shop as much as I can. It also allows me to price my weavings such that someone may actually buy them...
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: I *did* shop at Wal-Mart the other day.

A couple years ago DH bought some poster frames there ($15 compared to $20 at Target, btw) and then recently decided he didn't want them. Two were still in shrinkwrap and I just couldn't let that $30 sit there. So, the kids and I took them back and I wasn't about to let them keep my money.

I was glad I had that credit, though, because they are the only B&M store that I have found that carry individual pieces of pyrex (we are trying to get rid of our plastic). Anyway, I got 4 4 cup storage containers, 3 2 cup, and 4 1 cup (plus 2 six packs of pop and two things of Reeses Pieces--- I felt so bad for draging my kids in there!) and didn't have to pay shipping. Now, if those break, or we need more, we'll see how strong my desire to stay out of Wal-Mart is.

We have been shopping outside of Target a lot more lately. BUT, they do have $5 water shoes for the kids w/good traction I can't pass up. Oh, and $7 superman shirts
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Not everyone lives on a 6 digit salary, or two that add up that way...
We certainly don't and I would make a good guess that we are the *only* people in our neighborhood that is true for.
ITA with the OP. We don't have a six digit income either, but we are willing to spend a little more money at other places that treat their employees better. Yes, there are other stores that exploit workers. Retail in general is notorious for lousy salaries. But Walmart is worse than most. http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i...s=featherstone
It is more important to me that children grow up in families with healthcare and with parents who have close to a living wage than it is for me to save fifty cents on some crappy item.
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ITA with the OP. We don't have a six digit income either, but we are willing to spend a little more money at other places that treat their employees better. Yes, there are other stores that exploit workers. Retail in general is notorious for lousy salaries. But Walmart is worse than most. http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i...s=featherstone
It is more important to me that children grow up in families with healthcare and with parents who have close to a living wage than it is for me to save fifty cents on some crappy item.
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In addition, instead of just buying the same stuff for more $ elsewhere, I just consciously try to buy less stuff. Ends up being the same amt of $.
I don't like Walmart.

I also would say that it's better to *consciously* buy well made items that will last instead of bulk-buying a bunch of crap. I notice Walmart mass markets poor quality crap.

When I was a kid we didn't buy as many anything as we do now. I only had one regrigerator my entire childhood. Dittos for the washer and dryer.

I had a small green bike when I was small and a blue bike when I grew bigger. Two bikes my entire childhood.

Just a few new outfits each season (about three outfits) that's it.

If we were less materialistic and appriciated what we had and thought out purchases to make sure they're the best thing for our families we wouldn't need to settle for Walmart quality.

And I don't make a six figure salary.

Debra Baker
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What's this "Walmart quality" stuff?
Does that corporation only buy seconds or something? Pyrex is a quality brand, and can be had at Walmart. Ovaltine is a quality product, one of the few we buy there. It's not a matter of 50 cents either: $3.13 @ Wallie, $4.59 @ our Giant Eagle. Careful shopping applies no matter where one goes: Target, Walmart, thrift store... I suppose I could drive the extra miles to the health food store for less expensive rice milk by the case rather than paying more at Giant Eagle, but would the gas cost and pollution and time balance out?

We're most definately doing the buying less method, and supporting our other local retailers as much as we can. Unfortunately, for us at least, there's also the matter of gas usage to drive the extra miles to other stores to pay more.

Our Walmart may be in Yuppieville, or rather the front end is, but many of the customers I've seen there don't look to have much choice in shopping there. When the choice is buy food you Can afford or go hungry, what are they supposed to do? We have enough income to have choices to avoid W's sodium laden meats, but can also see that there's a need being Somewhat met. I'd rather see everyone have the income to have the choices, including Wallie's employees, but until that happens.....

I can't belief I'm verbally supporting the place!
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I don't like Wally-world either, but there are times I do buy stuff there. Not the bulk, off-brand, cheap crap. But stuff that I have priced elsewhere (like natural cleaning products, or tp, or tangerine juice (which my children love), or office supplies that I need for my businesses. And the money I save by doing that often allows me to buy organic foods at my grocery store. Or allows me to splurge on a Hanna Anderson outfit for my girls, usually second hand, which is a fantastic company that gives employees a living wage and makes fantastic clothes. So I see it as a trade-off.
Spaghetti sauce as an example:
Wal-Fart $1.00
Whole Foods $2.49

Now that I've decided that we aren't going to reapply for food stamps, buying our non-perishable foods at Wal-Mart can make the difference between eating Ramen and actually being able to make dinner.
wallyworld is the cheapest place to get diapers here other than "the great canadian superstore" and I won't go into what I think about them - let's just say its not good.

One of the reasons I shop there is that it looks better than the other "cheap" store Zellers. Zellers is all dark inside, Wally is at least white and light and it doesn't feel like the roof is about to fall on my head.

And when the choices are the place you hate, a place that gives you clausterphobia or a place that is way too busy, you pick the least of the three evils.

So, I'm still going to shop at walmart - until London Drugs opens their doors.
WM employee here (or the partner to one more specifically)

We do *not* shop there. We do accept their money because we gotta pay the bills, plus I totally dig what ti is my DH has to do there (he's an employer advocate number cruncher. He researchers in behalf of the employee rather than the employer)

However I don't boycott them. To me it is about balance. the things I would and wouldn't buy there vary. hair salon, photo studio, and food are tolerable in my book. Walmart makes little to no profit with these three things. Food has a less than 1% mark up and the other two are considered guest services. They are "lures" The biggest mark up is on the "junk" and the clothes. Which means they make most of their money there.

One thing that irritates me to no end is when people curse and boycott walmart while in line at McDonalds wearing the same name brands and ordering from discount retailers that purchase from the exact same importers as walmart. Conscience consumerism is so much deeper to me than looking at a store front and saying no to it. I try to avoid all corporatations and make my money count locally and in smaller companies.

It also bugs me when people say they simply can't afford not to shop there and then buy 20-50 dollar diapers
: but I know we each have choices with our money and it isn't my place to tell anyone where they should spend. I just think if walmart didn't exist we'd all find a way to get what we needed and prioritize what we truly need.

To me it isn't about walmart or no walmart- it is all about using your dollar wisely and supporting those you believe in. Whatever company is #1 next will have all its evils exposed to. it's sadly the American way.
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For me to be a SAHM, we have to shop @ places like Walmart.
We have no choice. I go b'ween there & Kmart.

It's not the greatest Co. but to me their are way worse.

March of Dimes does heinous animal testing for your donation $$ in the name of kids which has proven to be unneeded

http://www.pcrm.org/magazine/GM99Spr...99Spring6.html

http://www.pcrm.org/resch/charities/...mmon_qs.html#1

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In 2001, the March of Dimes provided nearly $200,000 to researchers at the Oregon Regional Primate Research Center to cause uterine infections in healthy pregnant monkeys to try to trigger premature labor. In these experiments, researchers insert monitoring cables into the monkeys' uteruses and into their babies' bodies, tethering the animals in cages that are too small to meet animal care guidelines. When the babies are born, they are killed for further study. This is despite the fact that physicians have known for decades that bacterial infections are linked to pre-term birth.
I've always been offered a chair if I was nursing while walking around, I've never had a problem returning items w/o a slip, I like their material selection, etc.

My DD worked both @ Kmart & WAlmart & she really liked the W better.
She was promoted in 3 months @ W-mart & a pay raise.
She also started her Mgr. training but decided to go to school.
Y'know, I try to buy from local merchants & such but some purchases I have to make & W-mart until I win the lottery
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we have WAY less than a 6 figure salary and I never ever go to walmart. It hasn't been difficult to boycott since I never shopped there much to begin with before I knew about all they did to drive out the competition and to hurt their employees.

spagetti sauce - grow tomatoes, buy onions and garlic, and make my own. much less than $1
No one's mentioned the problem of living in a small town... it's pretty much Wal-Mart or nothing where I live in rural Oregon. There is a small main street, and I buy what I can there (scrapbook supplies, antiques, things from JC Penney) but other than that it is 70 miles to the nearest Target or other stores.

I'm not fond of Wal Mart, I NEVER shopped there when I lived in Portland and had a choice, but now, I don't really have much of a choice. We don't buy groceries there, but for other household items, that's where we go.

It does cut down on the amount of stuff we buy, so that's a good thing! We also buy more stuff online. But when it comes right down to it and we need garbage bags and shampoo and my hair dryer has blown out, we go to Wal Mart.
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In addition, instead of just buying the same stuff for more $ elsewhere, I just consciously try to buy less stuff. Ends up being the same amt of $.
Same here. We're an under-six-figure, one-income family in So. Calif. We have choices when it comes to where to shop, so for us there is no reason, none whatsoever, to ever need to shop at Wal-Mart. Between being thrifty and making do with less when need be, we can stick to our ideals.
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