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<p>My almost 9 mo DD has not had any vaxes, due to my husband's objections. He thinks vaccines cause autism and the risk of side effects are not worth it. We have had many arguments over immunizations since our daughter was born. I agreed to wait out of respect for him, but I am definitely not comfortable not giving her any immunizations. She is our only child, partially breastfed and not in daycare, but I work with sick children. I had the Tdap a couple years ago.</p>
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<p>I would really like her to at least start the Dtap at her 9 month well child check up coming up. We live in WA state where there is a pertussis epidemic that is expected to peak this summer. I guess I am torn as to what to do. I do not want to have to go behind my husband's back.</p>
 

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<p><a href="http://vaccinationcouncil.org/media/The-Vitamin-C-Treatment-of-Whooping-Cough.pdf" target="_blank">http://vaccinationcouncil.org/media/The-Vitamin-C-Treatment-of-Whooping-Cough.pdf</a></p>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Rrrrrachel</strong> <a href="/community/t/1352350/want-to-give-dtap-to-9-month-old#post_16968884"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br>
Has he watched any videos of children with pertussis?</div>
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<p>Have you watched any videos of children with severe reactions to DTaP?</p>
 

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<p>OP is your DH totally anti-vax or do you think he would be open to del/sel?</p>
<p>Have you guys read many of the same materials about vax?</p>
 

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Pertussis is a bacterial infection. It can cause children to cough so hard and so much they literally cant catch their breath and they suffocate. They literally cough themselves to death. Another concern is they cough so hard they throw up and then when they try to inhale they aspirate it. Or their little body gets so exhausted from coughing they can't fight the infection anymore.<br><br>
Do these things always happen? Of course not, but even without serious complications it's pitiful enough. Have you ever had a really bad cough that just goes on and on? It's terrible.<br><br>
If you think it would make an impression there are also some first hand stories of people who've suffered from whooping cough at vaccinetimes.com
 

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I am just trying to help the original poster, not get into a back and forth with you, taxi.</div>
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If you're trying to help the original poster, then give ALL the facts, not just those that support the vaccine industry.<br><br>
Yes, pertussis can be terribly dangerous, especially in young infants and those with underlying conditions. That's why a vaccine was developed for it.<br><br>
But the original live-virus vaccine caused terribly dangerous reactions in a small subset. That's why they changed the vaccine to an acellular version..<br><br>
Unfortunately, the acellular version has proven to be less effective, and there are reports that it's still causing terribly dangerous reactions.<br><br>
Since many in the medical community believe and/or repeat the vaccine manufacturer's mantra that the vaccine is safe and effective, while ignoring the facts that show otherwise, the terribly dangerous reactions have gone unstudied, so subgroups who will have such reactions.<br>
Have not been definitively identified.<br><br>
We can, however, make educated guesses as to which groups may be at-risk, such as those with personal and/or family history of autoimmune disorders, vitamin deficiencies, seizure disorders, autism, food allergies, etc. also at risk are premature and low-birthweight babies,and those with underlying health issues, including those who may be already battling a mild virus, with fever, or diarrhea.<br><br>
Unfortunately, many doctors ignore the contraindications provided by the manufacturers, and the parents never even see these contraindications.
 

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<p>I started my last child's selective immunization at 6 months.  I gave her the dTap and would do it again.  You do need to figure out a way to talk to your husband.  Does he respect the Dr?  Would he read the CDC's information?  What is a credible source of information to him?  I like this website: <a href="http://skepticfamily.com/vaccines/" target="_blank">http://skepticfamily.com/vaccines/</a></p>
 
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Vaccines re studied for reactions, through vaers (which we all know is not as good of a resource as we would like it to be) and the vaccine safety data link. The vaccine safety data link includes millions of children's medical records, vaccinated and unvaccinated, and is a great resource for monitoring for any kind of reaction.<br><br>
<a href="http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Activities/VSD.html" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Activities/VSD.html</a><br><br>
You may also want to have him read about the loooong process vaccines go through on their way to market.<br><br>
<a href="http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/resdev/test-approve.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/resdev/test-approve.htm</a><br><br>
I assume that you've already researched the matter and weighed the risks and made up your mind that this is what's best for your family, especially given the epidemic in your area.
 

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I just came across these stats that might be worth sharing.<br><br>
"Pertussis is most severe for babies; more than half of infants younger than 1 year of age who get the disease must be hospitalized. About 1 in 5 infants with pertussis get pneumonia (lung infection), and about 1 in 100 will have convulsions. In rare cases (1 in 100), pertussis can be deadly, especially in infants."<br>
<a href="http://www.cdc.gov/features/pertussis/" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/features/pertussis/</a><br><br>
 

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<p>Has he researched what a clinical case of pertussis is like? Even a mild bout with whopping cough can last for several weeks; that's a long time to be sick, especially for a baby.</p>
 

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<p>We are sel/del vaxers and treat it as a necessary evil most all the time.</p>
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<p>OP - given that you live in WA and the pertussis numbers have reached epidemic/epic proportions and is expected to peak in summer - I would suggest you look into giving her Daptacel. You should be able to get 2 shots in by peak summer - right?</p>
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<p>In case you don't get to - make sure you wash hands (or take bath and discard the old pile of clothes in the washer) before you come in contact with her (since you deal with sick children). When you go to common kiddie places - wash hands religiously.</p>
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Youngfrankenstein</strong> <a href="/community/t/1352350/want-to-give-dtap-to-9-month-old#post_16969262"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style=""></a><br><br><p>I started my last child's selective immunization at 6 months.  I gave her the dTap and would do it again.  You do need to figure out a way to talk to your husband.  Does he respect the Dr?  Would he read the CDC's information?  What is a credible source of information to him?  I like this website: <a href="http://skepticfamily.com/vaccines/" target="_blank">http://skepticfamily.com/vaccines/</a></p>
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<p>Youngfrankenstein - I will preface my statement with my own stand about vaccines (before you completely label me an anti-vaxer). We are sel/del. In theory we like the idea of vaccines (who wouldn't) and wish that there really were all these vaccines for protecting my DD and never having to put her through the misery of all these illnesses. I am a coward when it comes to my DD and if I had the choice between giving her a safe/effective vax for a disease or have her battle through one bout to acquire lifetime immunity - I would choose a vax (Even if I had to vax her a couple of times in her lifetime..again provided the vax were safe and effective (even if less effective than naturally acquired immunity based on illness)). </p>
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<p>Anyway - so I just now went to the above skepticfamily link and one of the first sentences that caught my eye incensed me:</p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(75,93,103);font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:15px;background-color:rgb(155,195,213);">You and I may not completely trust the profit motivations of pharmaceutical corporations, but that doesn’t mean they are a cabal of evil overlords plotting to purposefully give children autism; the idea is ridiculous and without merit.</span></p>
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<p>This idea the author presents with a very superior, condescending and swaying pen and is frankly very insulting to the non-vaxers. None of the non-vaxers (except a few delusional ones) think that the Pharma companies are a cabal of evil overloads "plotting" to "purposefully" give children Autism. The author is being ridiculous and pompous.</p>
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<p>What the non-vaxers are saying is "The Pharma companies are putting out vaccines which have not been tested thoroughly and are ignoring the lesser percentage of people who are getting afflicted with vax-related injuries , trying to sweep them under the rug - keeping profit in mind"</p>
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<p>No one thinks they want to purposefully give children Autism! BUT yes - they don't seem to care enough to explore if certain vaccinated children are ending up with Autism/autistic_behaviors due to certain harmful metals they mix in with the vaccines and are using clout to suppress the naysayers because it cuts into their pockets.</p>
 

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<p>I am in the same boat as you kind of.  I live in WA too.  We have not vaxxed so far.  My DH actually is very easy, he leaves the choice up to me.  SO far we have not vaxxed our 3 y/o at all.  If she was my only child (and yes, even if she was 9 months old like yours) I would leave her unvaxxed.  But we are due to have #2 in September right when the pertussis cases are going to peak (due to natural seasonal peaks in the disease).  So for that reason we are going to vax DD with DTaP next week, giving 3 doses 2 months apart, last dose in Mid September.  Ideal?  Not at all.  But I am mainly worried about the new baby as it is most terrible as far as outcomes for infants under 6 months.  Hope this helps.</p>
 

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But vaccines HAVE been tested for safety and people who are injured AREN'T being ignored, there's vaers, and the vaccine compensation program, and datalink. Those are all ways to either allow people who think they've been vaccine injured to be heard and compensated or keep a close eye on possible adverse events that happen in larger than expected numbers.<br><br>
Pharma companies don't make their money from vaccines. A vaccine is something your kid gets a few times in their life. They make their money from things that people take everyday like heartburn medication. Vaccines are such a small part of their profit margin it doesn't make sense that they are putting themselves at risk of a huge lawsuit by sweeping things under the rug. Keep in mind that means the CDC and FDA are also involved, since they do a ton of research to license and approve the vaccine.
 

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<p>Rrrachel,</p>
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<p>I am not denying that vaccines are tested for safety. Where you and I differ is  on the extent of the tests and research. Giving them the benefit of doubt - let's say in all their 100s of clinical trials they never encountered any cases of Autism or immediate neurological harm. Then they release the vaccine and a few in 10000 cases are showing Autistic behaviors. Instead of researching these further - they seem to be in stout denial mode.</p>
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<p>And other effects like Diabetes, Lupus, MS, Alzheimers cannot be immediately seen in any clinical trials because they happen over time. But if enough evidence suggests that thimerosal and Al can cause these then instead of trying to find alternatives - they are not even acknowledging that this could happen.</p>
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<p>IF they had tested vaccines thoroughly for safety - then explain why withdraw some vaccines from the market? Also explain - why withdraw thimerosal from vaccines? They went blue in the face denying any harmful effects from Thimerosal right? Then they should have stuck to their guns and kept it right in.Because their research was rock-solid right?</p>
<p>Same with Squalene - they denied it firmly and maintained there were no ill-effects. And then they have banned it from vaccines now...IF their research and tests were so fault-proof why these concessions?</p>
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<p>Now they are going blue in the face denying any harmful effects from Al.... </p>
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<p>And I just beg to differ with the statement that they make no money from vaccines!</p>
 

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I didn't say they make no money, I said tit was a very small percentage of their profit margin.<br><br>
The removed thimerosol because it wasn't worth fighting about. Because its more important to get as many people to vaccinate as possible than to be "right.". There is still no evidence t causes harm.<br><br>
The vaccine autism link has been studied extensively. No causal link has ever been found.
 

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And there are recalls because you're right, sometimes things DO come up that didn't come up in clinical trials, even though can go on for a decade and involve thousands. But look how it's handled when things do come up, they don't stage some massive cover up, they issue a recall!
 
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