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I am a bit hot tempered so before I do all my lactivist sisters a disservice, I figured I'd come get a bit of sage advice on handling my complaint.<br><br>
Backstory: DH and I were driving back from dropping off DS for his very first overnight with greatgranny <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"> DH is a habitual non-seatbelt wearer despite me, and gets pulled over for this. The officer was in training so it was taking a LONG time so I got out when DD started crying, got her out of her CS and proceeded to sit on the sidewalk and nurse her (Unsure of laws regarding a running vehicle and sitting in front seat and b/c it was nice out so why not get out of the car for a bit?!). THe training cop then asks me to move b/c ppl will complain. I was floored and did move since I didn't want some crazy additional retaliatory ticket. After the in-training officer had given DH the ticket (ANd therefore couldn't retaliate) I asked for the other officer's name and said "DId you know that it is illegal to ask a woman to move for NIP?" And he said that he did know this as his wife BFs and refuses to move (GO wife!!!) but that they didn't want to deal with complaints. I told him I didn't want to ask to be moved and that his job is to do what is right and just, not what is easiest.<br><br>
I am HOT! ITs bad when anyone asks you to move, but to have someone who is at that moment in a position of authority to you do so is even worse. And they knew it was wrong to do so. Before I go off on his CO when I call (again, hot tempered, need to do this calmly!!):<br><br>
a) It is legal to NIP in GA, right? I was taking a guess that it is <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> (WE're from just the other side of the border)<br><br>
b) What would you want to make sure you covered when speaking to the commanding officer?<br><br>
c) WOuld you do more than just speak to CO?
 

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Well.......if it's LEGAL for you to be there, then they can't ask you to move!! ESPECIALLY a law enforcement officer. I'm not sure how I would proceed, but just b/c it's a police officer asking...if it's not against they law, they should not and can not require or even ask you to move or cover up. Quite the opposite, actually. They HAVE TO DEAL with any complaints, and uphold the law that allows you to be there. Period.
 

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<i>Ga. Code An. § 31-1-9<br><br>
The breast-feeding of a baby is an important and basic act of nurture which should be encouraged in the interests of maternal and child health. A mother may breast-feed her baby in any location where the mother and baby are otherwise authorized to be.</i><br><br>
Got this from the LLLI website. So there it is legal for you to breastfeed anywhere you are with you babe. How dare that cop tell you to move. When you talk to the CO I would tell him/her to be sure that be sure every cop knows that law and that he/she is breaking the law if they go against it. I would definitely file a complaint against the cop that told you to move if you remember his/her name. Good luck to you. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hug2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Hug2"> Sorry this happened to you.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> Sorry you had to deal with that.
 

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SOunds like the cop was either A) on a power trip or B ) being a pretty lazy cop. either way, I would definitely have a discussion with the people above him.
 

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<a href="http://www.llli.org/Law/LawBills.html" target="_blank">breast feeding and the Law</a><br><br>
from the LLLI website<br><br>
I always carry with me a print out of the local state law -- and if asked questioned on my rights to NIP or nurse at all -- i have a copy of the law to show them.<br><br>
it has yet to happen....but i am hot head and to save my child the freak out his mother might do -- i just am ready to say "I have a legal right to be here , and thus to feed T... here read the law for yourself." <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
and for the record I would wrte a letter to the cop's CO with a copy of the law and the date and time of incient and ask that his officers be better informaed of the laws they are sworn to enforce ... i would nicely imp,ly that another mom might be less understanding and persure legal recorse for being address in an unlawful manner.<br><br>
yes i am a cops wife.<br><br>
Aimee
 

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THAT'S the part that makes my blood pressure rise a bit! He DID know and still made an illegal demand of you. I would make a huge issue of that particular statement with his CO. It's not an excuse to say "I know it's allowed, but...." Besides, where are all these people standing over you on that sidewalk and booing at you for nursing your child? If there were really hordes of complainers it would be HIS JOB to inform them they were breaking the law and move them along. Definitely complain.<br><br><br><br><span style="font-size:xx-small;">Then tell your husband you wouldn't even be dealing with this now if he would have been wearing his seatbelt!</span><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/duck.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Duck">:
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;"><i>Ga. Code An. § 31-1-9<br><br>
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I think the bolded part is the key phrase here. Are you sure that you are authorized to sit on the sidewalk and block pedestrian traffic? It doesn't matter whether there were actually any pedestrians there at the time you were nursing. Every municipality has ordinances prohibiting individuals from blocking public thoroughfares either with their person or their property. The interests of public safety trumps any breastfeeding law. I think your position is very shaky. If you had been sitting on a park bench that would be another story, but you weren't.
 

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I think the officer was out of line. I think a call to the supervisor is in order.<br><br>
To the seat belt issue.... it is very dangerous for restrained passengers to ride with an unrestrained passenger. Please show your husband this video <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-parCIerguM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-parCIerguM</a> The unrestrained driver is thrown in the car in a way that he would have seriously hurt everyone else in the car. I'm glad I don't have to deal with this issue and DH, but I refuse to ride with unrestrained passengers.
 

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Definitely file a complaint. The fact that he said he KNEW he was doing something illegal makes everything else pretty irrelevant. I mean, I was going to say that maybe since you were sitting on the sidewalk you were blocking foot traffic. But as soon as he said he knew what he was doing was wrong, uh-uh, game over. I have a deep respect for LEOs, but damn it they need to obey the law too!
 

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Maybe he could legally have asked you to sit somewhere else, if he had said it in terms of not blocking the sidewalk, but since he said it was because of the breastfeeding, I think it's his mistake and I'd at least send to his superior a copy of the law and a report of what the officer said about not caring about what the law says.<br><br>
You might point out that "not wanting to deal with complaints" is not justification for going against the law, and that if he wants to minimize complaints, he ought to realize that he actually caused one instead of avoided one. It makes no sense to try to avoid complaints by creating a reason for the person to complain.
 

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Forget about his CO, call his wife! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> Sounds like he'd be in BIG trouble with her!
 

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The cop quite possibly didn't want you sitting on the sidewalk as it really isnt that safe.<br><br>
People start rubbernecking when the see lights and don't pay attention and cause accidents.
 

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complain...he knew he was in the wrong and did it anyway which is BS...basically he broke the law. what a turd.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/winner.jpg" style="border:0px solid;" title="BFSymbol">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">The cop quite possibly didn't want you sitting on the sidewalk as it really isnt that safe.</div>
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That's not what he told her though. (Reread the OP.) He told her he knew it was illegal to ask her to move, but he did so anyway because he "didn't want to deal with complaints." If he'd phrased it as a matter of her safety or others, that'd be fine. But he didn't.
 

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If the OP and her baby were not authorized to sit on the sidewalk blocking foot traffic then it doesn't matter what the officer IN TRAINING said and how phrased his request to move. He is upholding the law by telling her to move. The opinion of the officer's wife is irrelevant and calling her to complain about her husband would be harrassment.<br><br>
Many states have breastfeeding laws phrased exactly the same as the Georgia law. The law does not mean "anywhere I darn well please". The phrase "andwhere [they] are authorized to be" is there for a purpose. Breastfeeding mothers are required to follow all other laws while nursing in public. The breastfeeding law does not supercede any other laws.
 

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In reading what both officers said, it doesn't sound to me like either one was concerned about the OP sitting on the sidewalk. They were concerned about her NIP and (them) having to deal with complaints from others. No mention of safety concerns, no mention of obstructing pedestrian traffic.<br><br>
Therefore, regardless of whether there might be regulations against sitting on the sidewalk in that area - I'd say that the OP has a strong leg to stand upon. Because the officers didn't mention any concerns which would have related to that ordinance.<br><br>
It's like finding someone about to leap off a building and telling them that they shouldn't eat apple pie, but let them jump anyway [the issue is the suicidal behavior, not the apple pie they ate for supper]. The 'warning' the officers gave had nothing to do with the supposed law that might have meant they didn't want her sitting on the sidewalk, which we ourselves have manufactured as an issue here.<br><br>
Therefore, the issue still is:<br>
A. The law supports her behavior, to the best of her knowledge.<br>
B. The officers broke the law they are supposed to enforce, by asking her to move.<br>
C. The supervisory officer knew this, did not correct the officer in training either.<br>
D. If there were some other issue (such as blocking a sidewalk ordinance), the officers should have addressed that, not made up something else entirely.<br><br>
Whether their behavior was about breastfeeding or about something else entirely, they should both be reprimanded - I don't work in law enforcement, but it seems obvious to me that they weren't doing their jobs in the manner that they should have, in this situation.<br><br><span style="font-size:xx-small;">And, I too don't go anywhere with someone who's not wearing a seatbelt. It's a family rule in our house. It's really so very dangerous! Pleas talk to your dh about this, OP. My Dad feels the same way but he knows when he's in a vehicle with us, he must buckle up.</span>
 

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The TRAINER asked her to move (and maybe is unaware of the law?).<br>
The TRAINEE knows the law and has a wife who NIPs.<br><br>
Yes? I'm a little confused because PPs have been mixing the two officers up in their comments...
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Forget about his CO, call his wife! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> Sounds like he'd be in BIG trouble with her!</div>
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The trainer and trainee were both aware and had discussed it while finishing ticket. ANd truthfully, I wanted to sit in the car but didn't because it was running and was afraid of the implications (If you have keys and are in a car, even when not driving, while intoxicated, you can still get a DUI type thing) and had he said, "Ma'am you are welcome to sit in the car" I would have happily moved without issue. As for sidewalk laws, if thomas county has them, they were not in question. Had he said that I needed to sit on a bench, I'd have walked to one. Other than refusing to admit guilt, allow searchs and generally let cops trample my civil rights, I normally say How HIgh when an officer asks me to jump. BUt I think I've decided to call the CO and then follow up in writing to the CO and copy their Chief in a very nice way. MY temper has cooled now <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br><span style="font-size:xx-small;">And to those concerned, I almost always remind DH to put on belts when riding with me or kids. Its a rare occurence that I don't as DS is getting to the age of noticing and I don't want the "Why doesn't daddy have to questions. I truly just forgot once. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"> I told him afterwards that I am getting an alarm clock that wakes him for his paper route saying "Wake UP Jared. And buckle up!" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> Hopefully, he'll start remembering on his own now.</span>
 
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