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OK, I know it's kind of a nitpicky question, but DS is about to outgrow his carseat for RF, and I'm kind of procrastinating, and kind of thinking about the new Recaros, but they aren't out yet. So...are the weight limits meant to be with, or without clothes? My manual doesn't specify. Thanks! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/loveeyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Loveeyes">:
 

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unless you are planning to strip your kid down and drive him around naked, I think you need to consider the weight of the clothing.<br><br>
personally, we usually move up to a bigger seat when we are within a pound or so of the weight limit and a half inch or so of the height limit.
 

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I think definietly with clothes, as he'll be wearing clothes in the seat.<br><br>
I also don't feel good about cutting the weight limit too close; I'd like a little margin of safety between DD and the max. Could you turn him FF temporarily and then put him back RF once the new seat comes in? I would feel that FF is safer than RF but over the weight limit.
 

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He is 39 months and weighs 28.5 lbs. He is RF in a Graco Comfort Sport.<br><br>
Thanks for any suggestions you can give, about where to go from here!
 

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I have to say I'm shocked <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">: that he still fits by height - that's a seriously short seat! He must have really long legs.<br><br>
I would go ahead and look for a new seat now. If he still fits in the CS by height, he'll have YEARS in almost any other seat on the market.<br><br>
BTW, just as an FYI for any lurkers:<br><br>
Seats are outgrown Rear-Facing in one of two ways: height or weight. Weight is set in stone. They're outgrown by height when there is less than one inch of seat shell above the child's head.<br><br>
The Comfort Sport is ALSO outgrown by height RF when you need to use the topmost harness slots. Graco forbids their use RF. (Which is part of why I'm surprised your son still fits - it's not uncommon at all to have a child under the RF weight limit whose shoulders are at or above the top harness slots. Which means of course the seat is outgrown by height FORWARD-facing as well.)<br><br><br>
Forward facing seats are outgrown by height when either the ears exceed the seat shell OR the shoulders are above the top harness slots. Againt, weight is absolute.<br><br>
Rosie, with such a small son you have LOTS of choices. off the top of my head, in the "budget-friendly" catagory, would be:<br><br>
Fisher Price Safe Voyage Delux -> 33 lb RF limit, 55 lb FF limit, made by Britax, it's a "dumbed-down" Marathon, doesn't have lockoffs or a RF tether, but it's not something you'll miss since youre Graco doesn't have those either.<br><br>
the new Evenflo Triumph Delux (make sure it's the Delux version!)-> rear faces to 35 lbs, FF to (iirc) 50. It's brands new, so it's still a little hard to find.<br><br>
The Sunshine Kids Radian, the "big" Britax convertibles and the new Recaro convertibles are all comperable in price to each other as well and have similar weight limits.<br><br>
For 40 lb limit seats, I really like the Safety Firsty Uptown. It has nice tall harness slots and a tall seat shell, EPP foam, a plush cover and a 35 lb RF weight limit.
 

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A timely post! I had/have the same question, exactly- only my ds is only 23 months old and 27 pounds naked. We have the Evenflow Titan (I think, maybe a Triumph? The manual is in his room and he's sleeping. . . ). At any rate, the RF limit is 30 pounds and FF limit is 40 pounds. We are using the middle slots for shoulder straps RF now, but he's outgrowing that- so both in pounds and height he needs a new seat! I was really hoping that the new Recaro seats would be out by now. I'm torn as what to do. I'd really prefer to keep him RF longer. I can't imagine turning him FF and then RF again. Travel is already difficult enough with him!
 

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Skaterbabs, oh thank you for the suggestions on what seats might be good options for us. I think I'll look at the Evenflo seat you suggested, as well as the Radian and Britax ones. I might as well get a seat that can RF to 35 rather than 33...I'd be annoyed if those next 3 lbs come super fast and I'd have to switch to FF right away!<br><br>
Funny that you're surprised that he still fits in it...he used to be a tall boy, but in the last year or so his height has really tapered off. I've checked regularly, and he fits fine height-wise, in fact, his shoulders are just below the middle slots! So I guess you're right, he must be all leg. Do you know if any of the seats you recommended have more leg room for RF than others? (I know it's OK that his legs are crossed or bent, but on long trips he does complain so I'd like him to have as much leg room as possible.)<br><br>
Thanks so much...I love having this safety forum and so many educated moms here to help! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/loveeyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Loveeyes">:
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">We are using the middle slots for shoulder straps RF now, but he's outgrowing that- so both in pounds and height he needs a new seat!</div>
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The Comfort Sport is the only seat I know of with the rule about not using the top slots RF. But there are lots of seats with higher limits - the trick is finding one that fits well in your car and that you like. The best seat is the one that fits your car, your child, your budget and you will use perfectly every single time.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Skaterbabs, oh thank you for the suggestions on what seats might be good options for us. I think I'll look at the Evenflo seat you suggested, as well as the Radian and Britax ones. I might as well get a seat that can RF to 35 rather than 33...I'd be annoyed if those next 3 lbs come super fast and I'd have to switch to FF right away!<br><br>
Funny that you're surprised that he still fits in it...he used to be a tall boy, but in the last year or so his height has really tapered off. I've checked regularly, and he fits fine height-wise, in fact, his shoulders are just below the middle slots! So I guess you're right, he must be all leg. Do you know if any of the seats you recommended have more leg room for RF than others? (I know it's OK that his legs are crossed or bent, but on long trips he does complain so I'd like him to have as much leg room as possible.)<br><br>
Thanks so much...I love having this safety forum and so many educated moms here to help! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/loveeyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Loveeyes">:</div>
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What kind of car do you have? My daughter used to proper her legs on the top of the seatback of the bench seat behind her. if his seat in installed on a captains chair with recline, you can check your car manual. Unless it specifically forbids it, or it interferes with the proper installation of the child's seat, you may recline the back of the vehicle seat just a little to give extra room. Other than that it's a matter of finding one you're comfortable with.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">What kind of car do you have? My daughter used to proper her legs on the top of the seatback of the bench seat behind her. if his seat in installed on a captains chair with recline, you can check your car manual. Unless it specifically forbids it, or it interferes with the proper installation of the child's seat, you may recline the back of the vehicle seat just a little to give extra room. Other than that it's a matter of finding one you're comfortable with.</div>
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I'll PM you with the kind of car I have (I try to maintain some amount of anonymity here. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/innocent.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shy">), but, no, the seat does not recline.<br><br>
Darn, I was hoping that seat manufacturers publish the depth (I guess that's what you'd call it) so we could figure out what would have the most leg room.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">The Comfort Sport is the only seat I know of with the rule about not using the top slots RF. But there are lots of seats with higher limits - the trick is finding one that fits well in your car and that you like. The best seat is the one that fits your car, your child, your budget and you will use perfectly every single time.<br></div>
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Huh. I thought I had read that once I need the top slots I need to turn him around. I'll double check though.<br><br>
I know it's better to keep him rear facing for as long as possible. I just have trouble with the thought of buying another seat to use temporarily. We travel quite a bit and the Scenera just does not look comfortable enough for the frequent 4+ hour trips we make. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment">
 

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Rosie, I got and replied to your PM. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
V, your child is still so small and young you really want to keep him rf a while longer. What about the Safety First Uptown or the Fisher Price Safe Voyage Delux? Those are great budget seats that travel well. The Uptown is the Scenera all grown up. It has higher harness slots, a taller seat shell, EPP foam and a nice plush cover.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I've checked regularly, and he fits fine height-wise, in fact, his shoulders are just below the middle slots!</div>
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Whoops, I should correct myself, not that it makes a difference in terms of needing a new seat, because I know we do, but he is below the top slots, not the middle! Gosh, that would be really short for a three-year-old! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
Also, if anyone can point me to a retail store where they've seen the Evenflo Triumph Deluxe, I'd appreciate it. I checked my Target yesterday and they do not carry it at this time.
 

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The Triumph Delux is so new that it may take some doing to find one. I believe Babies R Us is carrying it in the store now, not sure if Toys R Us is yet.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Rosie, I got and replied to your PM. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
V, your child is still so small and young you really want to keep him rf a while longer. What about the Safety First Uptown or the Fisher Price Safe Voyage Delux? Those are great budget seats that travel well. The Uptown is the Scenera all grown up. It has higher harness slots, a taller seat shell, EPP foam and a nice plush cover.</div>
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Thanks! I'll check them out.
 

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I just found and bought the Evenflo Triumph Deluxe at BRU today. I installed it but definitely want to get someone to check it out for me. Although it's very similar to the Evenflo I replaced, it is just enough larger that it does not seem as secure when I rock it back and forth. I just can't get the latch strap any tighter? It also has a tether strap that I don't know what to do with rear facing. The Evenflo we replaced did not have one. I'd like to use it but can not locate a place to attach it. We have a Sienna 7-seater. The carseat is behind the driver seat.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I just found and bought the Evenflo Triumph Deluxe at BRU today. I installed it but definitely want to get someone to check it out for me. Although it's very similar to the Evenflo I replaced, it is just enough larger that it does not seem as secure when I rock it back and forth. I just can't get the latch strap any tighter? It also has a tether strap that I don't know what to do with rear facing. The Evenflo we replaced did not have one. I'd like to use it but can not locate a place to attach it. We have a Sienna 7-seater. The carseat is behind the driver seat.</div>
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I don't think that evenflo allows their seats to be tethered RF. I think only britax, recaro and radian allow that.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I just found and bought the Evenflo Triumph Deluxe at BRU today. I installed it but definitely want to get someone to check it out for me. Although it's very similar to the Evenflo I replaced, it is just enough larger that it does not seem as secure when I rock it back and forth. I just can't get the latch strap any tighter? It also has a tether strap that I don't know what to do with rear facing. The Evenflo we replaced did not have one. I'd like to use it but can not locate a place to attach it. We have a Sienna 7-seater. The carseat is behind the driver seat.</div>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I don't think that evenflo allows their seats to be tethered RF. I think only britax, recaro and radian allow that.<br><br>
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Yep. V, if your old Evenflo didn't have a tether it's probably expired, all seats since the late 90s have been required to have them. But Evenflo convertibes do not tether rear facing, Britax and Sunshine Kids are the only companies currently allowing that. The Recaros were supposed to but in fact do not.)<br>
Just tuck the tether out of the way until you turn it forward facing.<br><br>
Where are you testing for movement? You want less than one inchh at the beltpath, which is where the seatbelt goes through the car seat.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Yep. V, if your old Evenflo didn't have a tether it's probably expired, all seats since the late 90s have been required to have them. But Evenflo convertibes do not tether rear facing, Britax and Sunshine Kids are the only companies currently allowing that. The Recaros were supposed to but in fact do not.)<br>
Just tuck the tether out of the way until you turn it forward facing.<br><br>
Where are you testing for movement? You want less than one inchh at the beltpath, which is where the seatbelt goes through the car seat.</div>
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The "old" Evenflo is only a year old! We bought it in 2006 <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> Maybe it had a rear tether that we forgot about because we automatically put it rear facing. The new one has a tether that is attached and can not be removed. I did tuck it away. Thanks.<br><br>
I am rocking the top of the seat (highest point) back and forth. It wiggles a little, which I suppose is fine based on what you just said. The other one was absolutely firm, no movement at all. I'm going to have someone check it out, just to be safe. Thanks.<br><br>
Oh, and my son likes his new seat. Without prompting, he said "better, feels better" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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Voltige,<br>
That's great that you were able to find a Triumph Deluxe! I'm hoping our TRU carries it, as we don't have a BRU. Can you tell me, does your TD appear to have any more leg room than the old Evenflo? And does it create any less space for the driver? Thanks much! Those are my big concerns!
 
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