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Today did not go well, not that I thought it would but I was hoping. We brought Aidan in for his 5 year check up, which was the first visit since we have decided to stop vaxing. We have to bring him b/c I need the physical forms filled out for school, plus usually I like just checking in....anyways....<br><br>
She gave us a "great" speach on whooping cough in particular, you know it is out there circulating all the time with larger outbreaks every 2-3 years and I will write on his form for school that he has to be exempted during outbreaks. Polio and tetnus are problems as well, didn't mention diptheria. She also has this "great" handout right in the waiting room now with info on how the mercury in shots isn't the mercury that is harmful<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: She also stood in front of the door until I signed the horrible AAP form (I signed it to get out of there and I'm removing it as soon as the file is in hand) needless to say I'm switching his doctor immediately to a family practice doctor who is totally cool with our choice, she is my doctor as well. I've already made the appointment and am getting the file switched over.<br><br>
I'm just fuming b/c this was such a PIA experience, but the saddest thing was something I witnessed in the waiting room. A mom brought in her daughter around Aidan's age for her flu vax and the nurse handed her a long form to sign saying it was ok. Well the mom called the nurse over saying that in it it said children with epilepsy shouldn't get the shot and her daughter has epilepsy. The nurse said "oh don't worry about that my daughter has epilepsy and I give her the shot every year". So the mom signed the form and off they went for the shot. The girl had cerebal palsy too. SO SAD.<br><br>
Well thanks for letting my vent. I'm glad to be done with that office, gives me the shivers...oh yeah and prominently displayed on the wall is a big certificate b/c this particular doctor EXCEEDED the goals set out by the state health dept. for having fully vaxed kids in the practice.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I'm switching his doctor immediately to a family practice doctor who is totally cool with our choice, she is my doctor as well. I've already made the appointment and am getting the file switched over.<br><br>
I'm glad to be done with that office, gives me the shivers...</div>
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Well, isn't that nice that this doctor exceeded his goal! You should should ask him/her what type of perk they recieved from big pharma for such performance. Maybe a vacation? My neighbor is a doctor and last year he had to attend a "medical conference" in Arabu. Oh yeah, he took his wife and son too. Isn't that nice!?!?!
 

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It's so hard not to run up to those moms who are falling for it and beg them to think. I feel the same way when I see a tiny baby being bottlefed by it's mother somewhere.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"> Can you PM me and tell me who you're switching to? I'm considering a couple of GPs for family care and getting the hell out of this peds practice we're dealing with.
 

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Amy<br><br>
I'm assuming that because you mentioned the school health form that you are not homeschooling. As I'm sure you are aware, in NY we only have religious or medical exemptions. I would suggest that you not discuss any philosophical reasons for not vaxing with your new doctor. While you don't have to write your exemption explanation until your son is ready to be enrolled, it helps to write a quick statement that "we have religious objections to the practice of vaccination" and give that to your new doc to put in their file. That usually shuts them up (not always...but mostly <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: ). If they try to press the issue, just repeat the phrase over and over like a broken record.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">it helps to write a quick statement that "we have religious objections to the practice of vaccination" and give that to your new doc to put in their file. That usually shuts them up (not always...but mostly <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: ). If they try to press the issue, just repeat the phrase over and over like a broken record.</div>
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Thanks for the support ladies! It helps especially after the trying morning I have had, plus my brother is getting married tomorrow so things are CRAZY here this week. This doctor is my doctor and she is very cool about vax, I have friends who selective/delay and no vax and use her and it is not a problem so I am not even worried. Before I even hand her the school form I will be writing that we are religiously opposed to the practice of immunization across that section so that his previous baby shots don't even get put on there. I've already made the appointment for "meet and greet" for her and Aidan to get to know each other for middle of December and I'm working on getting the files switched over after they mail me the forms.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Before I even hand her the <span style="color:#FF0000;"><b>school form</b></span> I will be writing that we are religiously opposed to the practice of immunization <b>across that section so that his previous baby shots don't even get put on there</b>.</div>
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A very good move for those living in New York.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Before I even hand her the school form I will be writing that we are religiously opposed to the practice of immunization across that section so that his previous baby shots don't even get put on there.</div>
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I did that with two of my children, and the ped. insisted on filling out the vaxes they got anyway. She refused to sign the form without the vaccines listed. The school never questioned me on the religious exemption tho, maybe because their last vax was long before they started school. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shrug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shrug">
 

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Heather, I hope that doesn't happen to us, but if it does I will just have to state my religious beliefs changed after he had his other shots. I know people who convert to different religions all the time so I don't think it should affect anything but you never know. *sigh* I'm at least going to try doing it this way to avoid problems.
 

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I know NY is harder..I go to this same dr that Amydoula is going to be seeing, and so far so good. She hasnt pressured me in any way... i am in VT and have an easier exemption though so i dont know the NY laws and such. I am from NY originally on LI and it was terrible...i want to say i was forced into vaxing 3 of my 4 children...but i had a mind of my own. I did try to skip the vaxes, but my doctor told me CPS would be knocking on my door within a week and take my children away....you know the entire schpiel......i was so terrified of having my kids taken away i partially vaxed 3 of my children. Now they are not vaxed at all...i just feel bad for the vaxes my other 3 did have. I know my son had a reaction to the DPT so they did DTaP and i think thats when his world changed and he became a sad withdrawn boy. (i dont like labels, but if i did, id say mild MILD MILD autism)He is now doing much better though, he is just a very introverted lil guy. But when I used to live in NY, i had no support whatsoever and i was scared and confused, and had no good info. I didnt even know about mothering back then. Its so sad....we need to spread the word somehow to new moms like I once was! Good luck Amy with the new dr! I do like her and can and often do speak my mind freely with her. (And the nurse there is AWESOME very much into herbal remedies and knows her stuff!)
 

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Thanks!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> I'm so glad I have you for support!
 

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Amy,<br><br>
Is this Dr. Orton? I will use her name because others should know her name <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> I'm sure you remember our horrible experience with her and how she explained to us that our dogs would pass a deadly (unnamed) disease to our older son. And how he could get tetanus if we happened to cut his fingernails with rusty nail scissors <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes"> :puke<br><br>
Oh, and that is entirely disgusting about the other child in the waiting room. I LOVE LOVE LOVE receptionists giving out medical advice. Oh, and a question, the mercury in tuna, is that the good mercury or the bad mercury, b/c I'd like to start eating tuna again if it is the good mercury. Will the good mercury make my hair shiny??<br><br>
Oh, and will I see either you or doulajewla tonight?<br><br>
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Hi Amy<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> Yeah you got it right on. I do remember your story and had that in the back of my head when i went in. I just got back from my brother's wedding so wasn't able to come. I hope the fundraiser went really really well. It was actually the new nurse giving that special piece of advice, even worse in my book. Take care!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">A mom brought in her daughter around Aidan's age for her flu vax and the nurse handed her a long form to sign saying it was ok. Well the mom called the nurse over saying that in it it said children with epilepsy shouldn't get the shot and her daughter has epilepsy. The nurse said "oh don't worry about that my daughter has epilepsy and I give her the shot every year". So the mom signed the form and off they went for the shot. The girl had cerebal palsy too. SO SAD.<br>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/splat.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="splat"> oh so just because she is willing to take a huge risk with her own child so should everyone else??!!<br><br>
I had to switch peds too recently. I can't tell you what a huge difference it makes to find a ped who says right off the bat- before he even knew my position- that it's the parent's decision.
 

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And since when does the nurse get to give medical advice. Shouldn't that have been something the mom talked with the doctor about at least. Not that he would have given a different answer, but IMO that nurse was openning herself up to a huge liability should something have gone wrong.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Well thanks for letting my vent. I'm glad to be done with that office, gives me the shivers...oh yeah and prominently displayed on the wall is a big certificate b/c this particular doctor EXCEEDED the goals set out by the state health dept. for having fully vaxed kids in the practice.</div>
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This totally does not surprise me. Dr. Judy Orton fired us at 2 months b/c we wouldn't vax (and at the time we were not anti-vax, just anti-vax right now). And in speaking w/Margaret from the hospital, this is common practice for her. I wouldn't be surprised if all of her patients weren't 100% fully vaxed all the time. (Not to mention that I discussed vaxes w/her when I was pregnant and she was open to us delaying, waste of my time).
 
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