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I know that most of us have all had te conversation of whether or not to circ with other people, and we all know the reasons they use TO circ.<br><br>
My question is what is the reasons that they would/are opposed to the legislation that makes the male wait until he is 18 and can decide for himself?<br>
Has anyone had an "enlightening" debate about this specific legislation?
 

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I was just thinking about this yesterday. I have not had this particular debate, but I've seen where pro-circers respond to the age of consent argument with "But no grown man is going to want to have surgery on his penis!" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">: Well, yeah. And you'd think that would tell them something about his rights, and what a baby wants as well.<br><br>
But I think when they say that it's because they really believe it <i>has</i> to be done, that it's not as clean or as healthy, to be intact. They think infants should be circumcised because in the long run they'll be better off, and if we leave the choice up to them as men, we'll have rampant UTIs, STDs, AIDs, from all of those sick foreskins.<br><br>
Also, people have such a knee-jerk reaction to anything they perceive as 'taking away parental rights'. It's been legal to have your son cut <i>forever</i>- they are horrified that that choice could be taken away. It's not rational to want to hold onto the right to do mutilating cosmetic surgery on your newborn, of course, but I think it's a reason they oppose making it an adults-only procedure.<br><br>
That's all I have come up with so far.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">But I think when they say that it's because they really believe it <i>has</i> to be done, that it's not as clean or as healthy, to be intact. They think infants should be circumcised because in the long run they'll be better off, and if we leave the choice up to them as men, we'll have rampant UTIs, STDs, AIDs, from all of those sick foreskins.<br><br>
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I just wanted to add that so many people think it has to be done, or that it will have to be done eventually anyway. And they use disease prevention as their "reason" now. My cousin's reason for circing her baby boy included the list quoted above and that circing "prevents cancer. And if he gets penile cancer they'll have to chop the whole thing off." After all you can't get cancer in what's not there. She actually believes she saved his penis by mutilating it. She felt like she could be a hero by doing something about it. She gave life to her son, then immediatley saved him from disease. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/duh.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="duh"> Her other big argument was "Why make his high school years any more painful than they need to be? People in locker rooms are brutal."<br><br>
So if boys have to wait until they're 18, they might lose their whole penis and have a negative experience in high school. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">:
 

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I thought maybe they'd argue that kids can't wait till 18 because they have sex before 18 these days and can get STDs and cervical cancer etc. etc. way before 18....
 

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The justifications I've heard from pro-circs are that circumcision of an adult is painful (!) and that the supposed UTI protection benefit applies to boys under 1 year of age. Lame, lame, lame. Usually, you just get the irked "parental choice" response that you are forcing your anti-circ "choice" (which is really the choice not to make a choice for your infant boy) onto them.
 

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It's the 'better now than later' mentality; parents believe circumcision is less painful for newborns, and less emotionally/psychologically traumatic, since they "won't remember it". What they don't realize of course is that circumcision later in life for true medical indications when other simpler, less invasive, less expensive treatments for minor ailments have failed is exceedingly rare.<br><br>
Parents also often acknowledge that if he makes it to adulthood with a healthy foreskin, he isn't likely to part with it willingly or casually...which means, he'll keep the penis he prefers instead of the one they prefer.<br><br>
"If we don't slice it off before he gets [emotionally/psychologically/sexually] attached to it, he'll keep that ugly, filthy thing forever."<br><br>
It's selfish, ignorant, twisted logic.<br><br>
Jen
 
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