[Ekatherina]

ok this is from Lebanese to Americans...

just want to get some answers of why Israel and US do not support Lebanese seven point peace plan...
now this plan was given by the lebanese government which hizbullah rejected at first but then was forced to accept....
it includes cease fire on both sides and end of hostilities, withdrwal of israelian forces recent invasions, putting shibaa farms (lebanese territory ocuppied by israel) under UN control and exchange of prisoners, also lebanese army will be distributed in the south where hizbullah is now. While US-french are proposing a cease fire plan without taking into consideration lebanese demands...

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so as israel and US are not accepting lebanese plan which seemed very fair and not biased I wanted to ask your opinion as american on this issue. Why would you want to not accept this plan??

 

[mrzmeg]

I think the main thing they have against it is that Israel would not be able to fight in defense. Israel wants to be able to be able to answer any Hizbollah attacks, but Lebanon is worried because "defense" can be interpreted so broadly.

That's one of the big differences between the American-proposed peace plan (which Lebanon rejected either this morning or last night)0 and the Lebanese one. The American one would not permit any kind of fighting on the Lebanese/Hizbollahi side, but would allow Israeli defensive actions.

But if they accepted the Lebanese plan and Hizbollah attacked, wouldn't that nullify the peace plan all together, making a defensive attack possible? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me, either.

And, of course, Israel wants to maintain an occupying presence in southern Lebanon, which was another way that the two proposed plans differed.

ITA that the Lebanese plan seems a whole lot more equitable.

 

[eightyferrettoes]

As an American, I'd say that very little of what my government ever does is fair, equitable, or reasonable in any way, shape or form.

Sigh.

 

[timneh_mom]

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Originally Posted by eightyferrettoes As an American, I'd say that very little of what my government ever does is fair, equitable, or reasonable in any way, shape or form. Sigh.

I feel your pain!!

I was just having this discussion with DH the other day... I think he thought I was a Hezbollah sympathizer because I am so upset about what the Lebanese people are going through right now. I told him, that it's the governments I'm against, and their decisions... and how mad/sad/hopeless it makes me feel when so many innocent people are just getting clobbered in the process. I don't want to see any more killing, in EITHER country... and it all just needs to stop!! Hasn't enough harm been done already?

I'm sorry, this doesn't answer the OP's question very well...

 

[eightyferrettoes]

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Originally Posted by timneh_mom I feel your pain!! I was just having this discussion with DH the other day... I think he thought I was a Hezbollah sympathizer because I am so upset about what the Lebanese people are going through right now. I told him, that it's the governments I'm against, and their decisions... and how mad/sad/hopeless it makes me feel when so many innocent people are just getting clobbered in the process. I don't want to see any more killing, in EITHER country... and it all just needs to stop!! Hasn't enough harm been done already?

I know. And, honestly, the thing that's most maddening to me is that we're subsidizing the slaughter; most Americans don't even know that. To most of us, it's a far, faraway religious conflict that we'll never fully understand, so we wash our hands of it.

But it appears that we're all complicit in the killing-- folks in crossfire KNOW that, and are infuriated, and here we are scratching our heads and whining, "but why do they HATE us?"

 

[timneh_mom]

I just feel so powerless, all I can do is show up to vote, but even then, I just can't trust that anyone cares or that anything different will be done.

I feel horribly for the Israeli people too, nobody should have to live in fear like that. I honestly do not feel any hatred at all toward any regular person living in the Middle East, they are people like me, they all want the best for their children, they don't want to live in fear, they all want their families to be safe, they all mourn deeply at the loss of a loved one, just like me. Now I'm really rambling but I just wish all of this would stop.

 

[Ekatherina]

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But if they accepted the Lebanese plan and Hizbollah attacked, wouldn't that nullify the peace plan all together, making a defensive attack possible? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me, either.

that remind me of cold war between americans and russian when i lived in soviet union..

we lived in fear that americans will attack and americans lived in fear that russian will attack and noone wanted to attck..

..there were two girls one from states and other from russia who wrote to the presidents of opposite countries...then they met....anyone knows the story?

why would hizbullah attack if the occupied land was returned and prisoners exchanged....they dont attack for fun of killing and dying as they are described now...

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[me&3]

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Originally Posted by Ekatherina why would hizbullah attack if the occupied land was returned and prisoners exchanged....they dont attack for fun of killing and dying as they are described now... :

Because -
"If they go from Sheba'a, we will not stop fighting them. Our goal is to liberate the 1948 borders of Palestine...[Jews] can go back to Germany or wherever they came from."
- Hezbollah spokesperson Hassan Ezzedin - quoted in New Yorker, (October 14, 2002).

 

[Brigianna]

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Originally Posted by eightyferrettoes As an American, I'd say that very little of what my government ever does is fair, equitable, or reasonable in any way, shape or form. Sigh.

I agree with this.

As for why they don't support it, personally I think it's because the war is good for them in many ways. They can use it as a campaign issue to present the alleged threat of terrorism; they can use it to distract from their own failings, and they covertly promote Israeli militarism. Also many of them are motivated by the (warped IMO) religious belief that war in the middle east is necessary to facilitate the apocolypse.

It's disturbing that so much of the world's policy is being made by fanatics on all sides...

 

[Ekatherina]

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Because - "If they go from Sheba'a, we will not stop fighting them. Our goal is to liberate the 1948 borders of Palestine...[Jews] can go back to Germany or wherever they came from." - Hezbollah spokesperson Hassan Ezzedin - quoted in New Yorker, (October 14, 2002).

that is true, hizbullah is concerned with palestian land's rights, but according to the seven points plan proposed now by lebanese government, which hizbullah unwillingly accepted is that lebanese army will be on the border with israel. that simply means hizbullah wont be able to attack israel as it is doing now.

 

[Ekatherina]

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As for why they don't support it, personally I think it's because the war is good for them in many ways. They can use it as a campaign issue to present the alleged threat of terrorism; they can use it to distract from their own failings, and they covertly promote Israeli militarism. Also many of them are motivated by the (warped IMO) religious belief that war in the middle east is necessary to facilitate the apocolypse

or for oil?

...anyways i think they want war in the middle east to keep that region unstable....

 

[Brigianna]

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Originally Posted by Ekatherina or for oil? ...anyways i think they want war in the middle east to keep that region unstable....

I'm not sure how they would plan to get oil out of this, but, yeah, with these guys, oil is probably involved somehow.