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A few weeks ago I had to call an ambulance for my son, who ended up being transported by ambulance to the ER.<br><br>
Side note: It was a bad, sudden case of croup, which he's a bit susceptible to because of his small size and because he was born premature. A breathing treatment of epi and he was good to go.<br><br>
Anyway, while there they of course asked me about his vaccination status. Because I live with this constant fear of my kids being swept away by CPS because they found out I didn't vax, I just said, "yes, he's up to date". Which, technically, is true. He is up to date on the vaccination schedule that I'm following. That schedule just doesn't happen to include any vax's. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngtongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue"><br><br>
I do wonder, though, if there is any way this could come back to bite me. I'm also wondering if there are any treatments, etc. that could possibly be administered that they wouldn't administer to an unvaxed child. I knew what he would be getting in this case so I wasn't worried, but I'm thinking for future reference. I'm one who researches everything before I seek a treatment, but in the case of an emergency you don't really have time to drag out your computer and research meds. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br>
What do you guys think?
 

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I just say "No" when asked.<br>
Although some of my kids ARE technically up-to-date (for school requirements, not the full CDC recs), I don't plan on vaxing any them further. And I think that medical personnel should know their true vax status. I haven't been bothered by anyone yet; but should they press me on the issue I will simply play the religious objection card, and leave it at that.<br><br>
It's been said over and over again in this forum - CPS can't take your kids away simply b/c they are not vaxed. That would be a violation of your constitutional rights.
 

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I would say that she isn't. If they continued on in that vein, I would then tell them that I wasn't interested in their personal opinion of my parenting choices and that they were wasting valuable time that they should be using to treat my child. I would also tell them that I wasn't interested in having any additional tests conducted based on her vaccination status, since that should not affect the way she's treated. Generally, I'm not very outspoken with docs. I just ignore them and change the subject. However, that situation would call for showing that you are serious and that you aren't intimidated.
 

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I recently had to take my son to emergency with nurse maid elbow. (He was pulling away from me and the ligament between the bones in his elbow pulled out of place). Anyway, when asked, I told the nurse that we were working on an alternative vaccination schedule with his pediatrician. I felt good about that answer because it's the truth but also because it lets them know that we truly care about our child. I know that many allopathic medical personnel assume you don't care about your child if they aren't vaccinated.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I felt good about that answer because it's the truth but also because it lets them know that we truly care about our child. I know that many allopathic medical personnel assume you don't care about your child if they aren't vaccinated.</div>
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HUH?!?! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch">
 

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It depends, I've lied and said yes, they were up to date, I've said that we were advised to delay with DD2 because DD1 had an adverse reaction, I say that yes we definitely will be vaxing DD2 when as soon as she gets better, that our doc doesn't want her vaxed right now while she is sick, and sometimes I say that they are un-vaxed. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"> It all depends on the situation and the vibe I'm getting from the staff.
 

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it all depends upon the question that is asked. i will answer without lying.<br><br>
if the question is "is your child vaccinated?" the answer is "no". in reality, i don't think that this question will be asked in this manner, though, because for some <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">:reason, vaccinations are the default so i highly doubt a health care provider will ask in this way.<br><br>
however if the question is "is your child current on his/her vaccinations?", the answer, as a pp mentioned, would be, "we are on a selective schedule that we are working very closely with our pediatrician on." now, we've selected ZERO vaxes, but that's still selective. perhaps this is lying by omission but that is the answer that i feel most comfortable giving.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I recently had to take my son to emergency .... Anyway, when asked, I told the nurse that we were working on an alternative vaccination schedule with his pediatrician. I felt good about that answer because it's the truth but also because it lets them know that we truly care about our child. I know that many allopathic medical personnel assume you don't care about your child if they aren't vaccinated.</div>
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This is true, but I for one would rather change their misconceptions than help to feed them. So I would say "no", and if given any grief whatsoever, state it is on religious grounds and that it is not up for discussion.<br><br>
People can tell by how you act around your children if you "really care about them". Actions speak louder than -- vax status <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1">
 

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I normally tell them my childs vax status. I have an 8 year old who gets a bad case of croup twice a year every year and sometimes we end up in the hospital, I think they only ask me his vax status about half the time. I just say no we are not vaccinating.<br><br>
The pediatrician we are seeing (for the above mentioned croup) she didn't say peep to me when I told her he wasn't vaccinated.<br><br>
The only time I had trouble was when my oldest son was 7 months and he had a horrible cough for weeks, we were blown off by the family dr (3 times I took him there) I took him to er because I walked into his room and his lips were dusky. They wanted to treat him for croup. didn't ask his vax status. I told the dr 6 times that he wasn't vaccinated could this cough be something else? something more serious? He acted like pertusis was so foreign and ds couldn't have that and then proceded to tell me that he was going to Have to test him for pertusis and that it was an invasive test all because I had chosen not to vaccinate him, not because the dr actually thought he had pertusis (he did have pertusis)<br><br>
I have noticed that I"m not being asked very often about their vax status
 

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my simple ans when we we took DS 2x (once for 40 chin stitches once for a smashed/broken finger) the simple answer was "no, he is exempt".. that was teh start and end of it (except being offered up a tetanus toxoid.. (ummmmm no thanks!)<br><br>
BTW we got reported to CSS with DS #1 for medical neglect by "someone" and there was NO issue once we spoke with them.. it was a pain in the butt but no case was ever filed, just a few phone calls and a signed doc from us RE; excempt status.. no bigie, they can NOT touch you on religious exempt..
 

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i took my son to the ER a couple of weeks ago. he fell and busted his mouth open. we wanted to make sure no teeth were loose, etc. he's almost 3. i was asked if he was up to date, and i said no. the nurse rudely asked, "uh, and why?" i said because i think vaccines cause autism as well as many other learning delays and are terrible for my children. she just went onto the next question. i know she thinks i was cuckoo.....but i don't care.
 

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we say it because it is illegal to discriminate against you because of your religious choices, and if I were you i would be suing your county.<br><br>
as for the OP, I dont tell them anything unless they ask, and when they do, i just say its against our religious beliefs, nothing more.
 

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We have never been asked if DD is up to date on her shots at the ER. But if I was, I would say yes because according to our schedule (which is none), she is.
 

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We had to take our DD to the ER last week for a cut to her forehead. We were asked by the triage nurse if she was up to date. I told her that we have an exemption of her. She paused a bit in her routine checking of boxes, wrote something down (I assume that she had an exemption), and said nothing else. The doctor did not bring it up when he treated her.
 

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My youngest son is a frequent flyer in the children's hospital- so we hit the ER quite often... when asked about his vax status I simply reply "no- he is exempt", or " no, he has a state exemption." They never ask anything else. I like to say he's exempt or he has a state exemption because he does (so I am being 100% honest) and because it also protects us as his parents, most nurses and docs will not even bat an eye if you sound very confident and have something from the state to back you up. I would not want to just say no to that question cause most nurses and docs think you are just a neglegent parent who has forgotten their shots or something...better to sound perfectly legal.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Anyway, while there they of course asked me about his vaccination status. Because I live with this constant fear of my kids being swept away by CPS because they found out I didn't vax, I just said, "yes, he's up to date". Which, technically, is true. He is up to date on the vaccination schedule that I'm following. That schedule just doesn't happen to include any vax's. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngtongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue"><br><br>
I do wonder, though, if there is any way this could come back to bite me. I'm also wondering if there are any treatments, etc. that could possibly be administered that they wouldn't administer to an unvaxed child.<br><br>
What do you guys think?</div>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">We have never been asked if DD is up to date on her shots at the ER. But if I was, I would say yes because according to our schedule (which is none), she is.</div>
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People are always talking about using this line....and quite frankly, using that kind of logic scares me. I mean, I get your point and all -- but to me, if it the truth ever came out, and they find out you lied (because no matter how you twist and turn it, you lied) I would think it would give CPS more fuel for the fire. Know what I mean? I would think you would be SO much more protected saying that it is against your religious held beliefs. They can't discriminate against you for your religious beliefs, but if you lied to them, then.....hell hath no fury!<br><br>
Plus, I just think it's <i>medically</i> safer to always be 100% honest about your medical history. It could mean that the doctors look an entirely different way at the presented case -- for instance, the mama a few weeks ago )was it here?) whose DD was vaxed but was sure her DD had pertussis anyway -- and the doc kept saying "no, she can not have pertussis since she has been vaxed", and refused to even consider it. She had to bring DD elsewhere for a second opinion, and sure enough. Do you see where I am going with this? What if you untruthfully said "yes, she's been vaxed", so these ignorant docs who believe you can't contract a VPD simply b/c you've been vaccinated, don't look at the possibility -- and miss something.<br><br>
It just seems like a really bad idea to me.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Hi-<br><br>
My youngest son is a frequent flyer in the children's hospital- so we hit the ER quite often... when asked about his vax status I simply reply "no- he is exempt", or " no, he has a state exemption." They never ask anything else. I like to say he's exempt or he has a state exemption because he does (so I am being 100% honest) and because it also protects us as his parents, most nurses and docs will not even bat an eye if you sound very confident and have something from the state to back you up. I would not want to just say no to that question cause most nurses and docs think you are just a neglegent parent who has forgotten their shots or something...better to sound perfectly legal.</div>
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But the whole thing I never "got" about people here telling their docs and the hospitals about the "exemption", is that the "exemption" is just for school -- allows them to attend school without their shots -- so why would a doc give a rat's butt about their school situation? Have I misunderstood? (I've asked the question before, but I never got a response.)
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Plus, I just think it's <i>medically</i> safer to always be 100% honest about your medical history. It could mean that <span>the doctors look an entirely different way at the presented case -- for instance, the mama a few weeks ago )was it here?) whose DD was vaxed but was sure her DD had pertussis anyway -- and the doc kept saying "no, she can not have pertussis since she has been vaxed", and refused to even consider it.</span> She had to bring DD elsewhere for a second opinion, and sure enough. Do you see where I am going with this? What if you untruthfully said "yes, she's been vaxed", so these ignorant docs who believe you can't contract a VPD simply b/c you've been vaccinated, don't look at the possibility -- and miss something.<br><br>
It just seems like a really bad idea to me.</div>
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Even if your children have been vaxed--if you think they actually have a "vax preventable disease" you should tell the medical personnel that they aren't vaxed--as it is the only way to get them to consider all the possibilities. Silly, ain't it?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">... why would a doc give a rat's butt about their school situation?</div>
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You know that is a very good question. And an equally good one would be what the f... does the school care about a child's vaccine status? Especially if the vaccines is not for a contagious infection.<br><br>
Ask a doctor. See what he has to say. There must be some insentive. Same as for schools.<br><br>
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