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Or - very swollen glans/foreskin, white milky fluids, and very sad baby... What is it?<br><br>
My 5 month old is uncirced (just as my older 2 and my DH - so who would've thought we'd see something new!). He's teething, to which we attributed a long, fussy night and a very unusually fussy day. I changed his diaper in preparation for going to church, and didn't notice anything (though we were in something of a hurry). At church, I checked his diaper and decided it didn't need to be changed yet. Shortly thereafter, he became very fussy. He wouldn't nurse, didn't want to play - nothing that would normally help did. He was pacified with a change of scenery and spending time with Daddy. Then we loaded up in the car to go to lunch, and he was really fussy, again. DH kept him in the car extra long to make sure he was asleep, but came in with a sleepy but awake baby. He cried and fussed through most of lunch, refused to nurse more than a moment, and finally passed out bouncing on Daddy's lap. He was screaming again before we left, and finally fell asleep in the car (again, refusing to nurse or anything that would indicate hunger, etc).<br><br>
When he woke up, he nursed a bit, then again refused anything and would just cry. At this point, both DH and I realized he probably needed a fresh diaper. His wasn't all that wet, but was wet (we use cloth). But when I opened it up, his penis was quite noticeably enlarged and misshapen. He cried when I touched it, and there was a droplet of urine at the tip.<br><br>
I put him in a warm bath, in which he peed quite well after being immersed. He urine appeared slightly yellow, had a noticeable odor, and was a strong stream. He peed quite a bit, but only the one time. He didn't mind me touch his penis in the bath, so I tried to discern what I was seeing. In doing so, some milky liquid was squeezed out. There was a fair bit of it before it stopped (enough to make my DH come see). Later, I could get out just a tiny bit - hardly noticeable.<br><br>
We drained the water and refilled it, adding a bunch of GSE drops in hopes that a soak in the GSE might help kill any infection. It's still swollen - clearly both the glans and the foreskin - but he's now in a better mood.<br><br>
Is this a UTI? We've never seen one in our boys, and my DH has never had one. Is it more likely to be a fungal infection? What would cause that? Can we just treat it at home? How long is safe to wait and watch? My DH did some searching online while I had him in the bath, but didn't come up with much that seemed to describe all of his symptoms. On the one hand, I really want to call our pediatrician (who has always been very respectful of his foreskin), but on the other hand, it's a weekend, and I'm worried about needing to go to a doc/ER where they may not respect it. And, honestly, I can't afford it right now, either. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/help.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="help">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Or - very swollen glans/foreskin, white milky fluids, and very sad baby... What is it?<br><br>
My 5 month old is uncirced (just as my older 2 and my DH - so who would've thought we'd see something new!). He's teething, to which we attributed a long, fussy night and a very unusually fussy day. I changed his diaper in preparation for going to church, and didn't notice anything (though we were in something of a hurry). At church, I checked his diaper and decided it didn't need to be changed yet. Shortly thereafter, he became very fussy. He wouldn't nurse, didn't want to play - nothing that would normally help did. He was pacified with a change of scenery and spending time with Daddy. Then we loaded up in the car to go to lunch, and he was really fussy, again. DH kept him in the car extra long to make sure he was asleep, but came in with a sleepy but awake baby. He cried and fussed through most of lunch, refused to nurse more than a moment, and finally passed out bouncing on Daddy's lap. He was screaming again before we left, and finally fell asleep in the car (again, refusing to nurse or anything that would indicate hunger, etc).<br><br>
When he woke up, he nursed a bit, then again refused anything and would just cry. At this point, both DH and I realized he probably needed a fresh diaper. His wasn't all that wet, but was wet (we use cloth). But when I opened it up, his penis was quite noticeably enlarged and misshapen. He cried when I touched it, and there was a droplet of urine at the tip.<br><br>
I put him in a warm bath, in which he peed quite well after being immersed. He urine appeared slightly yellow, had a noticeable odor, and was a strong stream. He peed quite a bit, but only the one time. He didn't mind me touch his penis in the bath, so I tried to discern what I was seeing. In doing so, some milky liquid was squeezed out. There was a fair bit of it before it stopped (enough to make my DH come see). Later, I could get out just a tiny bit - hardly noticeable.<br><br>
We drained the water and refilled it, adding a bunch of GSE drops in hopes that a soak in the GSE might help kill any infection. It's still swollen - clearly both the glans and the foreskin - but he's now in a better mood.<br><br>
Is this a UTI? We've never seen one in our boys, and my DH has never had one. Is it more likely to be a fungal infection? What would cause that? Can we just treat it at home? How long is safe to wait and watch? My DH did some searching online while I had him in the bath, but didn't come up with much that seemed to describe all of his symptoms. On the one hand, I really want to call our pediatrician (who has always been very respectful of his foreskin), but on the other hand, it's a weekend, and I'm worried about needing to go to a doc/ER where they may not respect it. And, honestly, I can't afford it right now, either. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/help.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="help"></div>
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HeatherB it is not likely to be a UTI. So far the things you describe sound more like the foreskin is separating from the glands. This happens in different ways and at different rates for different boys so it is possible that you may have not noticed it occurring in your other two boys. This process may or may not include soreness and some discomfort along with the discharge you described which is likely smegma. Any soreness or discomfort should abate within 24 to 48 hours and may reoccur from time to time as the separation process doesn't always occur in one go. Different sections may free themselves at different times (This is in part how the multiple infection myth got started and persists).<br><br>
In any event the bath is a good idea and usually helps. There is usually a recent thread that discusses this issue such as this <a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=854938" target="_blank">thread</a> and this <a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=764732" target="_blank">thread</a>. Follow some of the links provided there and there will also be a few other posters who might be able to provide more details. Dr. Fleiss's <a href="http://www.mothering.com/articles/new_baby/circumcision/protect-uncircson.html" target="_blank">article</a> also discusses it further.<br><br>
I believe, and someone correct me if I am wrong, that a UTI and infection would be accompanied by a fever. Also puss discharge from an actual infection would smell nauseating. If it seems to get worse or last longer than a day or two and you do go to a Dr. insist on a culture (if they think it is actually infected). Hope this helps.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">HeatherB it is not likely to be a UTI. So far the things you describe sound more like the foreskin is separating from the glands. This happens in different ways and at different rates for different boys so it is possible that you may have not noticed it occurring in your other two boys. This process may or may not include soreness and some discomfort along with the discharge you described which is likely smegma. Any soreness or discomfort should abate within 24 to 48 hours and may reoccur from time to time as the separation process doesn't always occur in one go. Different sections may free themselves at different times (This is in part how the multiple infection myth got started and persists).<br><br>
In any event the bath is a good idea and usually helps. There is usually a recent thread that discusses this issue such as this <a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=854938" target="_blank">thread</a> and this <a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=764732" target="_blank">thread</a>. Follow some of the links provided there and there will also be a few other posters who might be able to provide more details. Dr. Fleiss's <a href="http://www.mothering.com/articles/new_baby/circumcision/protect-uncircson.html" target="_blank">article</a> also discusses it further.<br><br>
I believe, and someone correct me if I am wrong, that a UTI and infection would be accompanied by a fever. Also puss discharge from an actual infection would smell nauseating. If it seems to get worse or last longer than a day or two and you do go to a Dr. insist on a culture (if they think it is actually infected). Hope this helps.</div>
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Thanks for the quick reply. I have a printout hear that discusses just what you refer to - the separation process possibly causing inflammation and discomfort. But would this inflame the glans substantially, too?<br><br>
I also was under the impression that smegma was sort of cheesy looking, where what we saw earlier was very liquidy, more like milk. Of course, I think I've only seen smegma in one of my boys - this one - one one occasion.<br><br>
Little guy is stirring, but I will read the threads and articles! Thanks!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Thanks for the quick reply. I have a printout hear that discusses just what you refer to - the separation process possibly causing inflammation and discomfort. But would this inflame the glans substantially, too?</div>
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I believe it can since tearing would be occurring on two surfaces both could be sore.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I also was under the impression that smegma was sort of cheesy looking, where what we saw earlier was very liquidy, more like milk. Of course, I think I've only seen smegma in one of my boys - this one - one one occasion.<br><br>
Little guy is stirring, but I will read the threads and articles! Thanks!</div>
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The consistency proabably varies. To be honest I've never noticed having it myself but I don't necessarily remember back to early childhood. Plus when it comes out during separation there may be an unusually large amount as it is likely part of the membrane that previously bound the foreskin to the glands. There will proabably be some more posters who can opine on this so keep your eyes on the thread.
 

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Smegma mixed with urine is a milky color I have seen that with my ds. Just keed doing what you have been doing and if he isnt better in 24-48 hours or gets worse before then a trip to the Dr. for a culture to see what if anything is growing is in order. Does he have a rash on his bottom as well that would indicate yeast.
 

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Thanks for the input! I feel much better knowing smegma can look milky. He's napping now, which is good - especially since it means mama got a nap, too! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> I haven't seen any other type of rash on his bum, so I don't think it's yeast or really anything topical at all. (With my middle DS we had lots of skin/rash issues in the area - nothing like this at all.)<br><br>
It's still a bit of a stretch to my mind that "normal" processes could account for such a HUGE difference - but at this point both DH and I are comfortable enough to wait and watch and see what happens.<br><br>
Thanks!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Thanks for the input! I feel much better knowing smegma can look milky. He's napping now, which is good - especially since it means mama got a nap, too! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> I haven't seen any other type of rash on his bum, so I don't think it's yeast or really anything topical at all. (With my middle DS we had lots of skin/rash issues in the area - nothing like this at all.)<br><br>
It's still a bit of a stretch to my mind that "normal" processes could account for such a HUGE difference - but at this point both DH and I are comfortable enough to wait and watch and see what happens.<br><br>
Thanks!</div>
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Enjoy your time off <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"> and let us know how it works out for you. If you do wind up in a Drs office be sure to request a culture so you now what you're dealing with. Any other questions just post them.
 

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I wanted to add that I have never heard of foreskin irritation being a symptom of a UTI to the extent that you described. A bit of irritation on the tip yes but not that much swelling. Pain while urinating, or after in the tummy area. But never penis irritation. Not saying it couldnt happen but I have never read anyone here who's ds or dh having a UTI that had penis involvment.
 

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When my 2yo had a UTI the tip of his foreskin was a little bit red and flared outward a bit. I think it was the beginning of separation honestly, but unfortunately it coincided with a true UTI (as confirmed by urinalysis). If he starts to get a fever, I would call your pediatrician. Your baby is young, but if at all possible try to get a clean catch sample of his urine, otherwise they will have to catheterize him...don't go down that road. I knew even before the urinalysis that my son had a uti because of the distinct odor of his urine. I suffered from them chronically and I just know that smell.
 

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It sounds like you got it figured out, but when my son had a UTI the first and really only sign was a fever (a high one too). His penis and forskin look completely normal.
 

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Just like it does in a circed baby or girl. Fever, burning sensation, irritation at the urethra opening, foul smelling and cloudy urine, maybe a little blood in the diaper.<br><br>
If later on you do suspect a UTI, definitely go the clean catch way (bag taped over genitals). Don't let them cath because it's "cleaner" because that's bs. It's easier to clean catch from a penis than from a girl, and they bag girls the same way.
 

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Thank you all for the input! I'm so glad to know it's definitely not a uti. He is much better now. I mentioned it to my MW who agreed with everyone that it sounded like separation. Crazy! But so glad its nothing more!<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Thank you all for the input! I'm so glad to know it's definitely not a uti. He is much better now. I mentioned it to my MW who agreed with everyone that it sounded like separation. Crazy! But so glad its nothing more!<br><br>
Thanks again!</div>
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Glad to hear it Heather, just keep in mind it may come and go periodically for a while (or it may never happen again). Hopefully your new found knowledge, experience, and confidence will help someone else in a similar situation. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 
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