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In trying to make a wise decision wether or not to continue vacinating my children, many questions have arrised. I ahve been able to find the answer to most, except for this one......NonVaxing mama's, Would it be your prefrence to have an unvaxxinated population? I mean do you want to spread the word, and edjucate people of the "better" ways to achive the world not being vaxed? I know this will never happen, but in a perfect world? Thanks ~Jess
 

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I think mama's should do the research and do what they are comfortable with and what they feel is best for their baby.
 

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The objective for me personally is to have the freedom /information-alternative & medical both -available so we ALL can make those kind of decisions for ourselves!
 

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I think everyone should do the research and then make the choice they feel is best.
 

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Honestly, all I care about is the health of my child. It is not in his best interests to vaccinate him (had a reaction at his 4 month shots), so we don't anymore. Every parent needs to make an informed decision for their families...and have the freedom to do that. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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I wish that unbiased information was readily available to families so they can make a truly informed decision, i also wish people could make their decisions free of guilt and influence and be supported. Some of my friends have made the decision to vax even after me sharing information with them, they support my decision not to and I support their decision to vax.
 

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My goal is definitely to keep my daughter healthy and make informed choices. I think a long term outcome could be that if more parents refused to subject their kids to vaccinations with serious potential side effects, maybe the vaccination manufacturers would be more interested in developing safer vaccines. JMO. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/mischievous.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="mischief">
 

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a non-vaxed population wouldn't bother me a bit. It's certainly not my 'goal'. My goal is informing parents that they don't HAVE to do anything where their kids are concerned. They don't HAVE to circ. the lil boys , they don't have to send the kids to school , they don't have to vax , they don't have to put the baby in a crib at night , they don't have to use carriers in lieu of slings , etc..... Many people , sadly , simply do what they are told and have no clue they can go another (more natural) way.
 

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The most important for me is - I want the best for my grandchildren. I see vaccination as probably shortening their lives or at the very least sujugating them to a life that is prone to illness and dependent on more medication.<br><br>
The generation that was not vaxxed is now in their 80's and 90's.<br><br>
The next generation had some vaccines, that's where I fit in.<br><br>
Then there is my dd generation - they had considerably more. About 9 shots.<br><br>
Now they want children to have 30 some and are constantly adding to it.<br><br>
I see that the healthiest people were the ones that are now in their 90's - unvaccinated. And I believe we will see that to be the last generation to live to such a ripe old age. They had the fewest cancers, heart attacks, diabetes, autism with all its spectrum. Most of the diseases that we have now, were unknown to their generation. They were robust and healthy - that's why they live so long.<br><br>
As far as educating others, I would like to do that. Mainly because I feel sorry for the children and all the health problems they are having at such a young age.<br><br>
30% of our children in schools need some sort of medicine or other assistance to go through the day. Many will be unemployable. We have the sickest generation in medical history right now. Ask any teacher about the deplorable situation in their classrooms.<br><br>
In the past 20 years we have sacrificed our children's health for the wealth of the world pharmaceutical industry that also holds all the power of the world weapons industry and the UNO.<br><br>
Yes, I would like to see a world where no child or adult is vaccinated. Were we do not treat the body unless it is sick. And do not need the doctor to 'look for' illness, but let the body tell us.<br><br>
I believe it would me a much healthier world. Even for third world countries. Let's provide food and clean drinking water to third world countries instead of drugs and we'll see them get well and strong real quickly. Drugs injected into a weak and malnourished body can only have a negative effect.<br><br>
Yes, when I have a chance to inform a mother with a young child about the possible adverse effects of vaccination, I do. I feel a certain responsibility to do that.<br><br>
Sometimes I feel akin to <b>Bechamp</b> -<br>
When Bechamp saw that <b>Pasteur</b> was promoting his vaccine to gain wealth and glory, he (Bechamp) worked tirelessly to teach his believe in the importance of a healthy body.<br><br><a href="http:/p/bechamp.html" target="_blank">Pasteur vs Bechamp -</a><br><br><a href="http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/history/biographies/louis_pasteur.htm" target="_blank">Louis Pasteur Exposed -</a>
 

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I like to read that. Let's me know I'm not being a paranoid individual and that others have similar thoughts about the pharmaceutical industry. I don't feel I can say that aloud ' in real life' , but here I can let my hair hang down.
 

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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>maemaesmama</strong></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">......NonVaxing mama's, Would it be your prefrence to have an unvaxxinated population? I mean do you want to spread the word, and edjucate people of the "better" ways to achive the world not being vaxed? Thanks ~Jess</div>
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As a parent doing things for "the greater good" has taken on a new meaning for me with the birth of my own children.<br><br>
IRL, the <i><b><span style="text-decoration:underline;">ONLY</span></b></i> one way that any one person in this world can make a difference for the future of the world is to raise a healthy, well-adjusted, self-sufficient, intelligent, human being. If you birth a healthy child and then that healthy child is damaged in any way by government mandated vaccines , YOUR stake in the future is eroded. Your child, your future.<br><br>
I realize that you can have a stake in the future through starting a business or charity to benefit people, but a child is part of you that will go on!<br><br>
This is your child! Why sacrifice this child on the altar of unknown side-effects of the products of our pharmacracy?<br><br>
I feel that there are better ways of protecting our children from disease through education and experience, but I feel that is not the way our government officials want to run our government. Follow the $ trial.<br><br>
JMHO
 

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Like most moms I wish to give and receive information on the topic. And I would hope that one day unbiased information would be given to all mothers so that they can make an informed decision for their family whether that is for pregnancy, birth, breastfeeding, vaccinations, food, whatever it maybe.<br><br>
I also would hope someday that the government would not dictate to us what must be done to our children. I think this one gets me the most, guidelines are one thing, laws are another.<br><br>
Information is knowledge and knowledge is empowering. I wish all women could be empowered with knowledge to make the best informed decision.<br><br>
What I choose for my family may not be what you choose for your family.
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">originally posted by <b>Gitti</b><br>
Yes, I would like to see a world where no child or adult is vaccinated. Were we do not treat the body unless it is sick. And do not need the doctor to 'look for' illness, but let the body tell us.</td>
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Amen to this.<br><br>
I would be happy to see more people choose to not vaccinate.<br>
I would love it if more mamas would just <i>consider</i> not taking a doctor's word as Gospel on every freakin thing he says. (And I'm not really talking about mamas here. I mean IRL and other boards.)
 

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I would take my chances with a reemergence of measles, mumps, and chicken pox any day. I may be in the minority here, but even as a nonvaxing mama if I had lived in the age of polio outbreaks, I may have gotten the vaccine. Right now, I feel the risk for that one outweighs the benefits.
 

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In a perfect world we wouldn't need to rely on the bandaid of vaccines. In my eyes, vaccines are a bandaid to cover other larger, problems. Poor nutrition, lack of sanitation, etc.<br><br>
Someone brought up polio, so I'll use that as an example (don't mean to pick on you, it's just the illness that was handy, kwim?):<br><br><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/pink/polio.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/pink/polio.pdf</a><br><br>
95% of people who actually get polio have no simptoms. That's an awful lot of people who have no problem, or complication from the illness.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Up to 95% of all polio infections are inapparent or asymptomatic.<br>
Estimates of the ratio of inapparent to paralytic illness vary<br>
from 50:1 to 1,000:1 (usually 200:1).</td>
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So right off the bat that makes me think that 95% of the people who get it have bodies that have no problem handling it on their own. That leaves the 5% who do show simptoms:<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Approximately 4%-8% of polio infections consist of a minor,<br>
nonspecific illness without clinical or laboratory evidence of central<br>
nervous system invasion. This clinical presentation is known as<br>
abortive poliomyelitis, and is characterized by complete recovery in<br>
less than a week. Three syndromes observed with this form of<br>
poliovirus infection are upper respiratory tract infection (sore<br>
throat and fever), gastrointestinal disturbances (nausea, vomiting,<br>
abdominal pain, constipation or, rarely, diarrhea), and influenzalike<br>
illness. These syndromes are indistinguishable from other viral<br>
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Then there are a few who show more severe symptoms:<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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neck, back, and/or legs), usually following several days after a prodrome<br>
similar to that of minor illness, occurs in 1%-2% of polio<br>
infections. Increased or abnormal sensations can also occur.<br>
Typically these symptoms will last from 2 to 10 days, followed by<br>
complete recovery.</td>
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Then there are the very few who show extreme symptoms:<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Less than 1% of all polio infections result in flaccid paralysis.<br>
Paralytic symptoms generally begin 1 to 10 days after prodromal<br>
symptoms and progress for 2 to 3 days. Generally, no further<br>
paralysis occurs after the temperature returns to normal. The prodrome<br>
may be biphasic, especially in children, with initial minor<br>
symptoms separated by a 1- to 7-day period from more major<br>
symptoms. Additional prodromal signs and symptoms can include<br>
a loss of superficial reflexes, initially increased deep tendon reflexes<br>
and severe muscle aches and spasms in the limbs or back. The illness<br>
progresses to flaccid paralysis with diminished deep tendon<br>
reflexes, reaches a plateau without change for days to weeks, and is<br>
usually asymmetrical. Strength then begins to return. Patients do<br>
not experience sensory losses or changes in cognition.<br>
Many persons with paralytic poliomyelitis recover completely and,<br>
in most, muscle function returns to some degree. Weakness or<br>
paralysis still present 12 months after onset is usually permanent.</td>
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And then the severest (here's where it gets really scary):<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Paralytic polio is classified into three types, depending on the level<br>
of involvement. Spinal polio is most common, and accounted for<br>
79% of paralytic cases from 1969-1979. It is characterized by<br>
asymmetric paralysis that most often involves the legs. Bulbar<br>
polio accounted for 2% of cases and led to weakness of muscles<br>
innervated by cranial nerves. Bulbospinal polio accounted for<br>
19% of cases and was a combination of bulbar and spinal paralysis.<br>
The death-to-case ratio for paralytic polio is generally 2%-5% in children and up to 15%-30% in adults (depending on age). It increases to 25%-75% with bulbar involvement.</td>
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But now, going back to my origional thought... 95% of people who get Polio show no symptoms! The human body is truely amazing! And here's the question that comes to my mind - of the 5% who do show symptoms, were they really "vax" deprived or was there something else that was causing them to show simptoms (from mild to horrible)? This is the true pressing question. If we all knew how to give our bodies the tools that it requires to perform such amazing functions then we wouldn't need vaccines.<br><br>
And some of those tools can be as simple as reducing sugar intake:<br><br><a href="http://www.mercola.com/fcgi/pf/article/sugar/polio_sugar.htm" target="_blank">http://www.mercola.com/fcgi/pf/artic...olio_sugar.htm</a><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Specifically, I suspected that children and adults contracted polio because of low blood sugar brought on by a diet containing sugar and starch.<br><br>
I reasoned that the polio virus was able to cross tissue barriers, reach the brain and spinal cord, invade the nerve cells, damage or destroy them and cause paralysis. And I further reasoned that if the blood sugar never fell below 80 mg polio could never result.<br><br>
I suspected that during a polio epidemic only those children and adults who experienced periods of low blood sugar would contract the disease and that those individuals who were in actual contact with the virus but who maintained normal blood sugar levels would not contract the disease.<br><br>
Thus, it remained to prove that low blood sugar could be a factor in susceptibility to polio. And, after this had been proved, the following questions had to be answered:<br><br><br>
What causes low blood sugar in humans?<br><br>
How can low blood sugar be prevented?<br>
The prevention of low blood sugar would thus mean the prevention of polio.<br><br>
Before describing the experiments performed, I should like to make a preliminary summary and state without reserve that:<br><br><br>
1) Low blood sugar is a factor of susceptibility to polio.<br><br>
2) Low blood sugar occurs frequently in children and adults and is caused chiefly by a dietary error, namely, the consumption of sugar and starch<br><br>
3) Correction of this dietary error will prevent low blood sugar and thus prevent polio.</td>
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Can you imagine! That's amazing! Why is that information not readily available?<br><br>
But, generally speaking, when was the last time your ped pushed removing sugar from your child's diet before promoting a vaccine? Has your ped ever even brought it up? I know mine hasn't. GRRRRRR <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"> I wish my ped had given me a flyer on proper diet and it's importance before pushing the vax schedule.<br><br>
In a perfect world, the first thing out of you ped's mouth when he does baby's 24hr checkup would be "how is breastfeeding going?" not "are you breast or formula feeding?" then the second question would be "how is your diet? What do you eat on an average day?" Imagine if your dr replaced the script pad with a list of possible menus!!! "I see you are low in the following nutrients so I'd like to see you get more of xy&z in your diet. If you have any questions about breastfeeding or have any problems, call me right away and I'll get an LC out to see you and babe."<br><br>
Hey, how'd this soap box get here?! Oops! Sorry about that...<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment">
 

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Polio was actually a disease of tropical climates and not until we vaccinated against diphtheria did we see poliomyelitis in cooler climates.<br><br>
The whole thing about Polio is mind boggling. <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Politics was the only reason why we ever vaccinated against polio.</span><br><br>
It's not even worth worrying about. The only polio we have now in the US is vaccine induced. Also the Polio that is now in the third world may be vaccine or chemically induced, who knows? They won't tell, nor test, they only want to sell more vaccines and create more lives that will be dependent on the pharmaceutical companies.
 

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I don't care if everyone else vaxes or not but I would like to see mandatory vaccination go away and more unbiased info available for everyone to do the research and decide for themselves what they want to do.
 

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I would also like to see vaccines not be mandatory. For the people who want them, feel free to shoot up, but for those who don't, there would be no hassle if the words 'no thanks' were heard.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;"><i>Originally posted by Gitti</i><br><b>30% of our children in schools need some sort of medicine or other assistance to go through the day. Many will be unemployable. We have the sickest generation in medical history right now. Ask any teacher about the deplorable situation in their classrooms.</b></td>
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I think about this all the time. My ds is starting kindergarten this year, and there were a whole bunch of forms to fill out about sickness/allergies and I didn't have to mark anything down. The nurse asked me twice, are you SURE he doesn't have any allergies? I seriously think he's the only kid in his class that doesn't have allergies or some kind of chronic health condition.<br><br>
I worry for the children my children's generation will be having. If they'll even be able to have children.<br><br>
Sorry to be so doom and gloom, a lot of things have been weighing very heavily on me recently. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I don't care if everyone else vaxes or not but I would like to see mandatory vaccination go away and more unbiased info available for everyone to do the research and decide for themselves what they want to do.</div>
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That sounds good in theory but if everyone does research, no body will do vaccines. Unbiased info? Decide for themselves? Well, how is the pHARMa going to make the billions they make now? How would they be able to contribute 17 BILLION to buy off political representatives that make sure vaccines are forced down our throats? (Or into our bloodstream!)<br><br><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/02_49/b3811060.htm" target="_blank">http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...9/b3811060.htm</a>
 

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OFF Topic -- but our schools are some of the sickest buildings around, the buidlings themselves are diplorable. It's no wonder our children are sickly.<br><br>
Sorry just had to say it.
 
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