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Just curious. So far, we've used a carseat when I fly with my 30lb, 32mo ds. I did buy (well, my family bought it) a new one that was light enough to carry down those narrow aisles. lol<br>
It's just ds and me when we fly, so it would be nice to NOT have to take a carseat, a stroller (to carry the carseat), and a backpack. And it would be nice to not have to hustle up and get the carseat buckled in really quick. (they've never let me board early because I have ds).<br>
Though, I was really surprised that taking the carseat was MUCH easier than I thought it would be.<br><br>
Anyways, we fly about twice a year, and one of these times I'm going to leave the carseat so I'm sure I'll have one when we arrive at my parents' house. I'm not going to take it and check it! That freaks me out. lol.<br>
He seems almost big enough that the plane seatbelt would be able to hold him tightly.<br>
What age would you take a kid on and just have them buckled in the plane seat?
 

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I flew with my son about 3 weeks ago without a seat. (Had one waiting for us at our destination) He was also a lap child. This sounds harsh, but I figured if the plane is gonna crash, what good is the carseat gonna do. FWIW, I am also a car seat junkie. RF as long as possible and harnessed as long as possible.
 

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With ds (our first) we always had the car seat until he outgrew his Britax marathon at age 3 1/2. With dd we were poorer and couldn't afford a seat for her. So, she was a lap baby/toddler. When she turned 2, we used the car seat once or twice. But this winter, when she was 30 months, I went without it. It was just me and the 2 kids, and I knew that I couldn't handle the car seat, the stroller, the diaper bag, the 2 backpacks, the 2 kids without going nuts. My reasoning is that if there's a crash, we're basically toast anyway, and that if there's turbulence, she's going to be on my lap. We checked the car seats and it was much easier!
 

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I'm gathering from your post and the age of your kiddo from your sig...he's 2+ years old, therefore you have to buy him a seat...right?<br><br>
So airlines don't require any sort of booster, etc once the child is 2?<br><br><i>For optimal safety, the child should be in an FAA approved seat. Period.</i> There's a lot more than a crash to worry about. Every year,thousands of travelers and airline crew members are injured due to turbulence or incidents during takeoff or landings.<br><br>
I will be travelling next month with my son and also not looking forward to hauling around his Marathon seat. In my case, I need to bring the seat, leaving it home isn't an option. I was planning on taking his stroller so I could put him in it and balance the seat on top but then this was recommended.<br><a href="http://www.travelingwithkids.com/product_info.php/pName/traveling-toddler" target="_blank">http://www.travelingwithkids.com/pro...veling-toddler</a><br><br>
I ordered it yesterday. Now I won't need to take the stroller and can put all of our gear in the carryon. If I need to contain my son (he's not a fan of carriers unfortunately), I can put him in the seat and he can have a fun view of all the action.
 

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Nathan was 3yrs 4 months on our last flight. He was strapped into his carseat. We are flying again in July and I will also take his carseat. I have the sunshine radian and he is able to use the tray table with that one and will have plenty of room to grow in it. I think for him probably at least 4 if not longer.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I flew with my son about 3 weeks ago without a seat. (Had one waiting for us at our destination) He was also a lap child. This sounds harsh, but I figured if the plane is gonna crash, what good is the carseat gonna do. FWIW, I am also a car seat junkie. RF as long as possible and harnessed as long as possible.</div>
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UGH, it has NOTHING to do with CRASHING. Turbulence, people, TURBULENCE. LAP BABIES ARE KILLED in turbulence that everyone else survives.<br><br><br>
To answer the OP, I would not fly without a carseat for a child under four years and forty lbs. In your case, I would not even consider flying without one.
 

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I have one of these:<br><br><a href="http://www.kidsflysafe.com/" target="_blank">http://www.kidsflysafe.com/</a><br><br>
and have used it with my 19 month old. It rolls up into a tiny bag you can throw in a carry-on *huge plus* It works, is secure and both keeps them in place for containment purposes and is rated as safe by the FAA for taxi, takeoff and landing etc.<br><br>
I'll cut-and-paste from the site for height/weight stats:<br><br>
Q. At what age can a child use CARES?<br>
A. Children must be at least 1 year old, weigh 22 pounds, and be able to sit “front facing” to use CARES.<br>
Q. What is the upper age limit for children to use CARES?<br>
A. Children who are 4 years old, weigh at least 44 pounds and are more than 40 inches tall are considered old enough and strong enough to travel without an airplane child safety belt.<br><br>
It doesn't recline or anything so your child couldn't sleep comfortably (or any more comfortably than just in the seat itself) and you need to make carseat arrangements at your destination.<br><br>
Check it out...it may be a good solution for you.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I will be travelling next month with my son and also not looking forward to hauling around his Marathon seat. In my case, I need to bring the seat, leaving it home isn't an option. I was planning on taking his stroller so I could put him in it and balance the seat on top but then this was recommended.<br><a href="http://www.travelingwithkids.com/product_info.php/pName/traveling-toddler" target="_blank">http://www.travelingwithkids.com/pro...veling-toddler</a><br><br>
I ordered it yesterday. Now I won't need to take the stroller and can put all of our gear in the carryon. If I need to contain my son (he's not a fan of carriers unfortunately), I can put him in the seat and he can have a fun view of all the action.</div>
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I just went on a trip last week, and instead of buying this, I bought a simple welded ring at Home Depot for something like 1 dollar and it worked great. I had to use my carryon roller bag, my other bag is too big for the Latch straps to fit around. It was strong enough that dd could sit in the car seat while I was wheeling her around, so I didn't even bother bringing a stroller. My carryon bag handle needs to be a little longer, but that's a different issue. You are limited to the length of your Latch straps though, but they were plenty long enough to fit around a normal size carryon.<br><br>
I also looked at the CARES straps, but it was kind of pricy for my traveling needs. I did read that some airlines are buying them for their customers to use, so you might want to check before you buy one.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I'm gathering from your post and the age of your kiddo from your sig...he's 2+ years old, therefore you have to buy him a seat...right?<br><br>
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Yeah, he'll be 3 in July, so we have to buy him a seat regardless. I did call the airline, and they seemed to actually discourage carseats (just said there wasn't a real need for one).<br><br>
It seems to be pretty divided between those who don't find a carseat necessary, and those who will use one until 4yo. lol.<br><br>
Like I said, it's not that big of a deal for me to bring it. We got an Evenflo (I can't remember what...) but it only weighs 8lbs I think. At any rate, I'll for sure use it this time, both ways. Next time we fly he'll be over 3, and he'll be using at least one way...hmmm...well, at least I have a lot of time to think!<br><br>
One big benefit of the carseat is that he can sleep really comfortably in it. It has a recline option, so that's one thing that makes it easier.<br><br>
Although, are there any opinions about having dc in your lap for a good part of the trip? He does NOT like sitting in his carseat the entire time. We have about 6 hours of flying, with a layover in between. He can do about an hour sitting in his seat, then he really needs a break!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I just went on a trip last week, and instead of buying this, I bought a simple welded ring at Home Depot for something like 1 dollar and it worked great. I had to use my carryon roller bag, my other bag is too big for the Latch straps to fit around. It was strong enough that dd could sit in the car seat while I was wheeling her around, so I didn't even bother bringing a stroller. My carryon bag handle needs to be a little longer, but that's a different issue. You are limited to the length of your Latch straps though, but they were plenty long enough to fit around a normal size carryon.</div>
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Good idea! I thought about trying to rig something up, but I really like being able to strap him in the seat while it's attached to the bag if I need to contain him for any reason. I worried I wouldn't be able to get it secure enough. I'll be alone for part of the trip and will sometimes need both hands. He isn't a wearable baby so an ergo or similar isn't an option (believe me...I tried).<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Although, are there any opinions about having dc in your lap for a good part of the trip? He does NOT like sitting in his carseat the entire time. We have about 6 hours of flying, with a layover in between. He can do about an hour sitting in his seat, then he really needs a break!</div>
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I'm glad to hear you are considering taking the seat. I can understand him wanting to get out of his seat and as much as I oppose not having a seat at all, I am open to taking the child out occasionally. Like adults, children need to stretch, too.
 

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I wouldn't ever take a carseat on a plane. Period. I think my ds was 8 weeks the first time we flew.<br><br>
I guess it's different if your dc <i>likes</i> being in the carseat and will sleep there. If my ds was like that I may consider it for a short flight but he's not - he hates his carseat so there is no way I would take it on a plane! (plus only under ones can go in carseats on most of our airlines anyway)<br><br>
Here they give you a lapbelt for a baby that attatches to your belt so baby <b>is</b> buckled in. My ds is 2 now and sits on his own seat and the lap belt is perfectly adequate in the event of turbulence.<br><br>
I have to be honest - I really don't get the carseat-on-plane thing. No one does it here - it seems to be an american thing. I think it's a bit weird tbh...maybe I just have a wild child but there is no way my ds would stay seated in a carseat for more than 1 hour....I don't think it is safer either. Planes are a pretty safe mode of transport....a sling or lap belt will keep them where they should be in the event of turbulence and in the case of a crash you are a gonner anyway!
 

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That is what we did, just made sure he was buckled in with dh. (he's skinnier<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"> ) If we didn't have a car seat waiting for us, we would have checked it.<br><br>
My son would have been just as safe as an adult if we had Turbulance. Not to mention I haven't heard of people or children getting killed by them.<br><br>
FWIW, my brother is an ex-pilot. He has never heard or seen a lap child hurt or killed either. Well, I take that back, he did say one time a man was walking to the bathroom and fell and hit his head.
 

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We're not allowed to wear the babies in slings on the planes anymore (it's not an FAA approved harness) and to my knowledge, the airlines do not provide lap-belts to attach to the parents belt. Last time I flew with ds, I had asked the airline if they provided a way to keep a lap passenger/child restrained during take-off/landing or turbulence and they said no, that was my problem. I had to have an FAA approved restraint or harness or just hold him in my arms (NOT going to happen!!!!) so I hauled the carseat with me (a major PITA but better than nothing!)
 

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We have NEVER flow with a car seat -- we check it. DS is a lap child at this point. We flew at 7 months and at 13 monhts. We'll fly again at least once before he is two -- before the new baby comes.<br><br>
I don't plan to ever use one unless forced to -- he HATES his car seat -- he loooove the plane -- why ruin it for him???? When he gets a seat of him own, he can sit like a big boy and i bet he loves it.<br><br>
Plus as I travel alone most of the time -- I don't take stroller (we do have one at my folks) -- I carry him in a carrier and tote a dipaer bag -- that is more than enough for me to drag around ALONE as it is. I am glad to check the car seat at the door and not have to deal withit and DS alone <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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When did this happen -- in Oct and Nov of 06 I flew with him in his -- no comments (and in July of 06 also) to differnt locations. I think it depends on if the flight attendants want a power trip and to be a bitch cuz they don't like kids... or not. I also heard nothign about nurseing or anything else, whereas some cathc heck for that. I write it off to power triping flight attndants who want to act they are SOMEBODY.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lurk.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lurk">: This might get real good now.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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This thread is making me want to bang my head repeatedly into a brick wall.<br><br>
What is this "*I* don't think it's safer" nonsense?!?!?!? You can think the sky is pink with orange spots and yellow triangles, doesn't make it so.<br><br><br>
BABIES DIE IN TURBULENCE. CHILDREN WHO ARE TOO SMALL FOR THE LAPBELT DIE IN TURBULENCE. BABIES AND CHILDREN WHO ARE PROPERLY RESTRAINED IN AN FAA CARSEAT DO NOT DIE IN TURBULENCE. IT IS VERY SIMPLE.<br><br>
Deva33, whoever told you that there was 'no real need' for a carseat should be fed a bucket of warm spit. The FAA SPECIFICALLY RECOMMENDS ALL CHILDREN UNDER 4 AND 40 SHOULD BE IN A CARSEAT ON THE AIRPLANE.<br><br>
And the "oh, my child won't sit for that long in a carseat" is also ridiculous. If my kid can sit in a carseat in the car, he can do it on a plane too.<br><br>
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I recently posted something about wearing a baby on a plane on another board (I don't know if it's ok to reference that), and a very nice flight attendant actually posted to tell me why the FAA does not let you use a baby carrier on a plane, and it was justified, even for a skeptic like me. As for the inconsistency (I've experienced 4 different sets of recommendations from flight attendants, from, "If you don't take her out of the wrap, we won't take off" to absolutely no comment), the flight attendant that posted was very descriptive about why this might be. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"> PM me if you want to see the thread, as I'm pretty sure I shouldn't post it here (that's against UA right?).<br><br>
I know I've flown with DD thus far several times, checked the car seat and I just held her (I was using the "too poor for a second seat" reasoning). I did NOT feel comfortable doing so on a couple of legs of flights, due to VERY rapid decelerations when we landed... literally I could feel her slipping off my lap, and I'm an ex-volleyball player with some arm strength. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"><br><br>
SO. To me it makes no sense that the airlines will allow you even ON a plane with a child w/o a seat for it. They seem to have a bit of a double standard, b/c the FAA says, always use a car seat, but the airlines still give you the option of having a babe in lap if they're under 2, but give you no FAA approved way to hang on to said babe. No one I know is going to have enough spare cash to buy a whole extra ticket if it's not specifically required, which means those people aren't going to be using car seats either.<br><br>
That said, babies and children ARE injured when not properly restrained even w/o crashes, and I'm thinking that next time we fly we will be buying her a ticket and using the Hardware store ring that someone suggested to attach our seat to a suitcase/bag with wheels. EVEN though she'll still be under 2.<br><br>
If you think you'd be upset that you didn't bring your car seat on the plane if there was some turbulence, and your babe fell off the seat and was injured, even mildly, JUST BRING IT!!! If you're ok with the idea of having your child injured even though there might have been a way you could have prevented it, then don't!<br><br><br>
To the OP: I think if I were you, if the kid can sit in a normal car seat and be properly restrained, you're probably ok (boosters are generally only for when shoulder belts are present right?). I'd factor in the FAA guidelines (I think someone posted them) as well, along with the size/shape of your kid. Then I'd err on the cautious side. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1">
 

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We do lap children until they are 2. We cannot afford airline tickets for all our children. Every family has to do their own cost/risk analysis. Once we have to buy 4 airline tickets, then we will be forced to plan to drive to see family. That will actually increase the risk to our children, since highway accidents by far out number accidents due to in air turbulence and actual crashes combined. Perhaps if the FAA starts requiring tickets for babies and people stop flying, then the airlines will respond with discount fares and such. Actually getting carseats to the gate is another logistical nightmare. I have flown with my 2 year old and sling baby, and there was no possible way I could get the kids, diaper bag, and car seats through security and to the gate on my own.<br><br>
Three beans maybe this is what you were looking for - <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/banghead.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="banghead">
 

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Well, when we have flown we buy everyone a seat in first class. I doubt that is always a financial option for everyone but it surely does make life easier and it's more comfortable for the kids.<br><br>
My DS is right at the 40 pound mark, and going on 3 years old. It is no longer safer for him to be in a car seat, so he's not. We don't fly because I hate traveling, but the two times we had no choice. If you don't use a carseat though, how would you have one for the car on the other end?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">We do lap children until they are 2. We cannot afford airline tickets for all our children. Every family has to do their own cost/risk analysis. Once we have to buy 4 airline tickets, then we will be forced to plan to drive to see family. That will actually increase the risk to our children, since highway accidents by far out number accidents due to in air turbulence and actual crashes combined. Perhaps if the FAA starts requiring tickets for babies and people stop flying, then the airlines will respond with discount fares and such. Actually getting carseats to the gate is another logistical nightmare. I have flown with my 2 year old and sling baby, and there was no possible way I could get the kids, diaper bag, and car seats through security and to the gate on my own.<br><br>
Three beans maybe this is what you were looking for - <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/banghead.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="banghead"></div>
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I agree... Wouldn't it be sweet if airlines sold discounted children's seats with the purchase of an adult seat??? It'll be a cold day in hell before that will happen I'd guess. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 
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