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Alright, I want your totally outright, in-your-face opinions on the following subject matter:
My hubby and I have a great relationship; problem is, he's kind of insecure. When we met seven years ago, he didn't even want me hanging out with my guy friends
He claimed that any guy who is "friends" with a girl would jump at the first chance of "being with her", and that that was fact, end of discussion. So, being immature, I dropped my few guy friends to be with him.

Well, it's seven years later, and a guy who I innocently "dated" waaaay back in middle school sent me an e-mail!
He wanted to know what I was up to, how I was, etc. I wrote him back, told him I'm happily married with two kids, blah, blah, blah. He then told me how great it would be if we could meet up for coffee sometime, catch up, chat about the old days, whatever.

So now I feel like I'm stuck... first of all, my hubby and I share the same e-mail acct., so I deleted the messages so he wouldn't get upset. (Is this totally deceitful?) Now I really want to (innocently) meet up with this old friend.... you don't really keep in touch with many people from middle school, ya know?.... but I know hubby would go through the roof! No, he's not a violent, scream and yell type, but he would get very upset and just totally not understand why I'd want to go meet an old GUY friend.... I know he'd say no.... I know I'd say "uh, you are NOT my master..."

So my question for you ladies is... what would I then decide? Hey, you don't own me, and I will do what I damn well please? Or, well, you are my lifelong partner, and if it makes you feel uncomfortable, I just won't do it?
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Or, well, you are my lifelong partner, and if it makes you feel uncomfortable, I just won't do it?
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THIS is absolutely what I'd vote for.
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I disagree.

I think your dh needs to grow out of his jealousy thing. I think it's perfectly possible for straight men and women to be friends. If dh asked me or told me to drop my straight male friends or my lesbian friends there is no way I would do it.

After seven years of marriage and two kids, if he doesn't trust that you're faithful to him and love him dearly, and would never cheat on him....well, he's got rocks in his head.

But above all I would be up front with him. I would tell him about the email and tell him you'd like to get together with this guy, and that he's welcome to come if he wants. I would have an open discussion about it - the last thing I would do would be to hide stuff, because if he finds it then you're confirming his suspicions that there's something illicit about male-female contact outside of marriage.
id be straight up with dh about the e-mails and work on a compromise that pushes him a bit, but doesnt scare the $**t outa him- like have the friend over to your house while dh and kidos are home. dh can watch the kids a bit, and you guys can chat in the yard or whatever.

my dh is like this too. afraid of me talking to old bf from hs. i dont get it.
Ooh I like sunbaby's idea...maybe have him over for coffee so that dh could also meet him. I don't know how dh would feel when you all start reminiscing (sp?) though. Hmmm...tough situation.

I would be honest with him though b/c say he sends another email but dh picks it up and can tell that previous emails had been sent? KWIM?

Good luck!
I agree that you should try to go out for coffee with your old friend and your DH or you should invite your old friend over when your dh is there.

You should also have a converation about the old (hopfully) jelousy thing and the old (hopefully) request that you don't befriend guys, which cuts your friend pool in half. . . If he still feels this way, he needs to understand that he has some stuff (insecurities etc) to deal with, stuff that isn't being dealt with by keeping you free of male friendships (that would be like treating the symptom instead of the disease). And his jelousy is clearly leading to deceptive behavior on your part, so there are tangible negative consequesnes from it, beyond just generally being unhealthy.

sorry for all the parenthetical statements) . . .
I absolutely think you'd be in the wrong to meet him alone. even with your dh's knowledge (unless dh gave his approval). However, if long lost friend wants to get to know your whole family, even meet in a public place, then go ahead and later down the road it can evolve back into the two of you, if the friendship makes it that far.
You have to respect your dh's feelings, even if you don't agree with them.
How would you feel if one of his old girlfriends you'd never met wanted to take him out for coffee and start up a new friendship with him?
I agree that you should tell your DH about the email, and that his jealousy is creating deceitfulness in you.

I also think the best approach, to save your DH feelings AND to rekindle a friendship with your old guy friend, would be to invite him to your house to meet your family. I know I would jump at the opportunity to show off and brag about my Dh and kids


That way your old guy can become everyones friend!
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Thank you for the responses.
Problem is, I just can't be myself talking to a guy around my DH. If I seem like I smiling a lot, kidding around and laughing, etc., I'd probably get dirty looks from DH and he'd probably huff and puff and roll his eyes and utterly, totally embarrass me. I'm just a totally easy-going, laughy, flirty person - with girls AND guys - it's just my personality type and who I am. But whenever I'm in situations like that, my DH makes me feel really, really uncomfortable like I'm trying to get into the person's pants or something
So in those situations, I act very reserved and on edge and I'd rather avoid a really uncomfortable situation like that.

So, to me, that's not really an option. It would be waaaay more stressful and uncomfortable than I would feel like dealing with. I hate hate hate hate walking on eggshells. Problem is, he totally denies that he acts like this. He's like, "Oh, it's all in your head, I was fine".... but it is NOT in my head. I'm not some paranoid schizo. who misreads people, kwim? Then the more he denies it the more totally p*ssed off I get. I usually just have to walk away from it because I don't want to totally freak out on him.

Maybe I will mention it.... even though I kind of know how it would go. As far as him meeting an ex-girl/friend for coffee or something, I'd be fine with it. I knew his ex and she was a really cool girl... someone I would not mind talking to and hanging out with. But my philosophy is, if something was ever meant to happen it will, and I can't control everything and everyone around me. I think he's just so insecure he wants to control the world, kwim?

Whew, sorry so long! I just wrote a novel
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I'm probably old fashioned, but I wouldn't create a situation of tension in your marriage just to catch up with a casual acquaintance.

Your DH may have insecurity or jealousy issues, but this is liable to make them worse, not better.

I think he'd feel a lot more secure if you said, "Oh, so and so invited me out for coffee, but I told him it was inappropriate."

Just my $0.02.
From what your descibe, I would put the whole issue of the ex-boyfriend on the back burner. If you decide to meet him, it may create a temporary episode of tension in your realtioship, and if you decide not to meet him, this episode may be avoided. Either way, the larger issue of his inappropriate jelousy and inappropriate behavior, all based on insecurity, is still there. This issue is what he needs to deal with. You can't make him deal with it and you can't deal with it for him, but you can explain to him its effects on you to hopefully help him see it is something he needs to work on.

So the larger issue that this current minor delima raises is much more important than the delima itself.

It is unhealthy for him and unfair to you. Your friendliness should not be a threat, especially after so many years of marriage. That you are being stiffled, that he is being made (by himself, not by you) unhappy, means that the situation needs to be dealt with regardless of what you decide in relation to this meeting with your ex.

Good luck.
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YOu have a lot of good advice here. DH and I have an unspoken rule about friends of the opposite sex. Any male friend that wants to continue to be in my life continues to be in my life thorugh friendship with DH. And any female that wants to be in DH's life continues to do so through friendship with me.

It works for us.

Good luck,

Lori
I would be 100% honest and upfront with your husband, cop to the deleted e-mail, and tell him that you want to meet up with this person. I would be open to compromise like meeting together with you husband or for daytime coffee, whatever makes your husband more comfortable. If your husband doesn’t compromise at all, I would have a very hard time respecting his position and would probably tell him that I was going anyway and that he would just have to deal.
candiland. i am getting this feeling from your last post, (and i think you seem cool enough to consider this and take it or leave it as you see fit) but your dh sounds like he is way out at one end of the spectrum, and you are sitting at the other- and until one of you scoots toward the middle ground a little, the other wont budge.

and since, as you say yourself, ya cant controll him, you can only controll you. is there any way to compromise a wee bit? its not really black and white- a person doesnt have to be either totally laughy and flirty or totally stiff and uncomfortable. it might not be easy (or totally fair), but it might be worth the effort of revising your approach in order to keep things nicer with dh and still see your old buddy.

it just sounds like you are locked into rebellious mode, because you feel dh pulling the reins in on you, and it can be infuriating. i could also be projecting that, becuase i have seen dh and myself in similar situations to the one you are in and it only makes him act worse when i turn into stubborn indignant rebel girl.

maybe talk to dh ahead, tell him you are gonna work on modifying your behavior, FOR HIS BENEFIT, because you love and value him and honestly want to help him be comfy. tell him what it means to you to see this guy, and listen to dhs feelings and worries and suggestions, w/o arguing. just hear his feelings. ask him to modify his behavior too- or, ok, since he denies acting badly, say something like, "i know it might be just me, but i am afraid you will do XYZ. could you please be on the loookout just in case you catch yourself doing something i could maybe percieve in that way and consider keeping it to yourself?" (that might be abit of bs, becuase you and i know that you are not imaging it, but it will help keep him outa the defensive position)

it just really sound like you and dh are opposites of each other in this area, and that is probably part of the attraction, you each have what the other lacks, but things might be more comfy if you can each step in toward the middle.

geez. i just want you to be able to see your friend and still have comfort in your home. good luck.
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He claimed that any guy who is "friends" with a girl would jump at the first chance of "being with her", and that that was fact, end of discussion.
so.. does he have any female friends?
Alright, let's see here....

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so.. does he have any female friends?
No. No, meaning none he'd ever hang out with by himself. They're either my friends, in which case I'd be there hanging out with them, or our guy friends' girlfriends or wives.... again, he'd never just hang out with the girl and not his dude friend, too.

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it just sounds like you are locked into rebellious mode, because you feel dh pulling the reins in on you, and it can be infuriating. i could also be projecting that, becuase i have seen dh and myself in similar situations to the one you are in and it only makes him act worse when i turn into stubborn indignant rebel girl.
True, true, true. I can definitely see this. I really don't like anyone telling me what to "do", and the more I feel locked in, the harder I fight to get my way. Maybe it is more of a power struggle between the two of us?

HannahSims, I think that's what I'll do. I'll bring it up tomorrow and see how it goes. Problem is, he's always sooo suspicious that I'll act like I'm lying or doing something wrong even if I'm not. Oh, well. We'll see how it goes.

Gabesmomma - he'd loooove that, but it's not my style at all. That's why we butt heads so much. I really enjoy male company -I actually get along better with guys than I do girls, even though I do have lots of girl friends in my life.

mamawanabe - I totally agree. But when I bring this up - even in a non-confrontational manner, he totally denies that it exists. What am I supposed to do?

bizzarogirl (love that screen name, btw) - I'm really starting to think that way. Why create an issue out of this when it's a VERY old acquaintance that I never think about much, anyway? But as another poster mentioned, it's a signal of a deeper issue, so maybe it is a good idea to bring it up and see where it goes.

Thanks for the responses. I guess I'll casually bring it up and see what he has to say about it
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I have some experience with this, and it just creates a vicious circle. He is always suspicious and nosy, and freaks if I so much as look at another guy. So when I'm out in the world I act like myself--I chat with guys, maybe even have coffee once in a blue moon. Then I go home and don't say a word about it.

Then if he finds out, he automatically thinks the worst, because I never toldhim about it....but if I had told him about it, he would have totally lost it and began screaming at me and accusing me of all kinds of bullsh*t. Yet he can chat and flirt with women all he wants.

And I'm like you, the ex had made me feel extremely uncomfortable in the presence of him and another guy. Very uncomfortable. So I'm glad I'm not married to him anymore.

So there is my little story. I really think that for your marriage to be a content one, he needs to address his fears and insecurities.
Or, well, you are my lifelong partner, and if it makes you feel uncomfortable, I just won't do it?

This absolutely 100% gets my vote too...if he's a good guy, he would afford you the same respect if it was one of his old girl-friends...

No question!!
Or, well, you are my lifelong partner, and if it makes you feel uncomfortable, I just won't do it?

This absolutely 100% gets my vote too...if he's a good guy, he would afford you the same respect if it was one of his old girl-friends and IF you were uncomfortable about it, even tho you said you would not be...

No question!!
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YOu have a lot of good advice here. DH and I have an unspoken rule about friends of the opposite sex. Any male friend that wants to continue to be in my life continues to be in my life thorugh friendship with DH. And any female that wants to be in DH's life continues to do so through friendship with me.

It works for us.

Good luck,

Lori
I like this advice.

Different people see this so differently--whether or not opposite-sex friends are ok. But if my dh felt uncomfortable with it, I wouldn't jeopardize what he and I have. And he wouldn't have female friends because he knows that would make me uncomfortable.

My dh had to mature enough, though, to put our marriage before friendships with other women. It used to create a real strain for us, and I'm glad it doesn't anymore. The only female "friends" he has now are wives of his buddies.
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